How do you filter out the bolt being placed on WAFER FLANGED CONNECTION?

[lawrence.delacruz]

How do you filter out the bolt being placed on WAFER FLANGED CONNECTION? Since there is no bolt specified as fastener on the connection settings of the plant 3d setup. On the FLANGED CONNECTION, I can successfully point out what bolt on my spec to be automatically placed on the 3d model.

[h_eger]

Dear @lawrence.delacruz ,

by default you cannot set a filter that ONLY filters out the Wafer Connectet bolt sets.
All bolt sets are treated equally.
It is only about the length of the bolt sets

[lawrence.delacruz]

I have different bolt sets on my spec, and I want to assign this specifically for the wafer connections.

For the flanged connections, I was able to filter out automatically the gasket and bolts to be placed on the 3d model.

For the wafer connections, only the gasket is working since there is no bolt fastener on its setting.

[h_eger]

Dear @lawrence.delacruz ,

so if I understand you correctly, you have not assigned any bolt sets to the wafer connection in the Plant 3D Connection Manager.
Now you want to filter out the bolt sets for the wafer connections in your project, is this correct?
I don't quite understand your goal?

Maybe this link can help

https://in-the-pipes.typepad.com/in_the_pipes/2016/07/autocad-plant-3d-handling-bolts-in-piping-spec... 

[lawrence.delacruz]

What I mean is that I have a spec with 4 bolt sets.

1- Bolt for wafer check valve

2- Bolt for wafer butterfly valve

3- Bolt for plain flanged connection

4- Bolt for flanged ball valve





I have enable the corresponding gaskets to be placed automatically for all connections, the problem is that for the wafer connections which is 1 and 2 is not automatically placed.

Because bolt set is being used for 3 and 4 connections

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While Wafer does not have a bolt set on the fasteners by default. So I cannot make some spec filter.



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[h_eger]

[Fahad_Ghoerobi]

Hi,
Did you solve this case? I have the same issue.

[h_eger]

@Fahad_Ghoerobi ,

Yes, why?
the dedicated assignment of the Bolt Compatible Standard to the respective components leads to the result

[HenkVink1983]

@h_eger 

A lot of people (me included) do not use bolt length table because with a bolt table you are not able to set item code for each lenght. (there is a non standard option with a Access database file connection but never tested that). So you are forced to use fixed bolts lenght and multiple bolt sets in spec.  In that case you have to select them with a spec filter.

A wafer connection will bring a boltset automatically (hardcoded) because WF is set Waferlike in EndCodesConfig.xml The problem is what is written above, because it comes automatically you don't have the option to set a filter. This is a shortcoming in Plant 3D.

[h_eger]

@HenkVink1983 ,

As soon as the standard functions of Plant 3D are disabled, it cannot be expected to obtain a functioning bolt length calculation.

I cannot follow you in your description.

A lot of people (me included) do not use bolt length table because with a bolt table you are not able to set item code for each lenght. (there is a non standard option with a Access database file connection but never tested that). So you are forced to use fixed bolts lenght and multiple bolt sets in spec. In that case you have to select them with a spec filter.

[ksm93r]

My first post ever as far as I remember, so warm greetings and hello everybody!

I think I know what at least one of my predecessor meant, I have similar issue within my company as we do not use bolt length calculation by plant, but we use external normalization documents which prescribe what elements (bolts, nuts, washers) are part of the connection. This document is just given as part of project documentation and drawing table leads to them and specific sheet.

For example for typical flanged joint DN100/PN16 it gives us:

Bolted joint DN100/PN16 type A 

with length of the bolts for type A given in the table in the corresponding sheet of normalization document.

Similarily we have type B for connections with spacers/spectacles or type C for connection with wafer butterfly valves. Bolt length is different for every type, but this is specified in the aforementioned document.

And the question is exactly that: both spacer and wafer butterfly valves are essentially wafer elements. How to make Plant3D to differentiate and give automatically type B in the first case and type C in the second case with using "wafer-like" end codes?

Right know we are treating everything "flange-like" and just have alternate joint definitions, one equipped with bolts (filtered to specific type by the type of the element) and the other not, so only one side will have bolt set. We just change it by swapping manually. So we have connections FL-WFB which gives type B and FL-WFC, which gives type C (with WFB, WFC being flange-like end codes just named for convenience). It's a small company with no real CAD administator dedicated fully to this task, though if I will propose some real solution then maybe it will be more optimal.

Do you mean by one of your previous post, @h_eger, that if we will create "B" and "C" bolt standards and then assign B standard to type B bolt set and spectacles, as well as C standard to type C bolt set and wafer valves, it will work as intended by us?

Thank you in advance,

Krzysztof

[tomaz_rode_f3f]

For a wafer valve I can have weld neck flange, lapped flange + stub-end, lapped flange + collar or mix of these flanges on one wafer valve. WF connection choose only default bolt set. I see no possibility to control bolt sets on WF connection. Bolt lengths for weld neck flange and lapped flange & stub-end are approx. the same, but for lapped flange & collar must be longer. In the bolt length calculation, as far as I know, only flange thickness is considered, but not collar or stub-end thickness. This can be solved by boltset and with use of design standard parameter for example, but with WF connection I see no possibility to control, what type of flange connection is used.