Changed value in all three axis when using the slope function i AutoCad Plant 3D

Changed value in all three axis when using the slope function i AutoCad Plant 3D

henrik.bard
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Changed value in all three axis when using the slope function i AutoCad Plant 3D

henrik.bard
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Hi,

I´ve been using Plant 3D for over a decade now and I have (from the start) issues dealing with the built in slope function.

When using the Slope Panel function, it sometimes will be a small direction change in the wrong axis. It´s only a fraction of a millimeter but it can cause problems when stretching segments of the pipe later on when you want to change your pipe routing. I will try to illustrate the problem down below. 

 

henrikbard_7-1708346647108.png

 

Picture down below illustrates a pipe segment that should be 1000mm in all directions with a slope of 1:100 on the horisontal lines. The result is following:

 

Pipe 1 – x=1000.0065 y=0.0000 z=-10.0001

Pipe 2 – x=0.0065 y=1000.0000 z=-10.0000

Pipe 3 – x=0.0000 y=0.0000 z=1000.6500 

Pipe 4 – x=1000.0065 y=0.0000 z=9.3501

For example you can see at Pipe 2 there is a change in the x-axis of 0.0065 mm but it should be 0.

 

henrikbard_8-1708346968781.png

 

It seems to be in the elbows the missalignment take place so by replacing the elbows some of these problems will dissappear. I don´t know if there´s a setup problem, a spec problem or anything else, but this doesn´t seem to always work.

 

Maybe this is a Non issue, but for me and some of my colleagues it´s quite annoying that we can´t use this function properly. Probably we miss something obvious in the settings and thats why I reach out in this forum to try to find a solution to this problem.

 

We are now using a method with centerlines and we need to set plantslopethresholdangle to 0 for our workaround to function properly. This method is quite time consuming but at least we have control of the pipe routing and also it´s easier to edit the pipes.

 

The settings in Plant 3D is the default settings regarding tolerances etc.    

 

Thanks in advance.

/Henrik

 

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h_eger
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Dear @henrik.bard ,

 

Yes, I know these deviations and yes, this is also really annoying with sloping pipes.


But as an alternative, I would ask you to take a look at the tolerances of the components used and the 0.0065mm really doesn't come into play.

 

Yes, we have to plan to 0.0001mm in CAD because otherwise there are inconsistencies in some cases, but I can work well with that.

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henrik.bard
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Thank you for your reply Hartmut!

 

The .0065mm isn’t really a problem as you say. 

The problem I see is when you want to stretch the pipes in the direction of one of the axis with the grips on the pipes/elbows. I’ve seen plenty of piping engineers accidentally move whole piping systems when the intention was only to move a piping segment of the system. When zoomed in this may be hard to see and the result could be catastrophic in some cases. This happens more often than you can believe 😓.

 

With the method I use this doesn’t happen, but it demands more preparations and editing of settings than it should! 

In earlier releases I remember we had problems with the isometric generation due to this deviations. Luckily this isn’t a problem anymore!

 

Regards

/Henrik