drawing a property plot plan?

[Anonymous]

Hello, I am trying to draw a site plan in model space along with the other drawings.  The site plan layout needs to be 1"=20'.  Can't get this to work.  Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

[FeeopEngr]

Does the custom scale 1 paper unit = 240 drawing units not work? (1"=20'-0")

[Anonymous]

Thanks for your response.
Here is what I've got.  Model space is set to 1:1.  The drawing is in Architectural Units.  The site plan drawing is in model space and drawing to full scale and coordinates.  My layout is set to  ARCH D (36x24) and the scale is 1:1.  When I go to the layout and activate Model Space and set the scale to 1"=20' the whole drawing zoom in until you can't see anything.  I have to set it to 1/16"=1' to see anything.

Up until now, I've had to create separate drawings for my site plans.  Want to learn how to draw the site plan in a standard Architectural drawing and then plot it at 1"=20'.

Thanks so much for your suggestions.

[michaeld]

As stated above. You want to enter into the custom scales. Then edit your 1:20 scale. It probably stated in the scale properties 1 paper unit = 20 drawing units. Change the 20 to 240 then save. The scale will work from there out.

[Anonymous]

I am either too dense or I'm not communicating well.  Nevertheless, I have attached some screenshots to explain myself better.  When I draw the site plan in Model Space at 1:1 it's all good, then when I try to scale a Layout to 1"=20' the whole drawing blow up until nothing is visible.  As I said I have to set the scale to 1/16"=1' to see it in the layout.

It needs to be 1"=20'.

Images attached, they should be self-explanatory.  #4 is the layout set to 1'=20" and the viewport is zoom in so far nothing is visible.  #5 is the same viewport set to 1/16"=1' and you can see the corner of the property line.

Thanks to everyone who looks and tries to help me.  I really appreciate it.

[michaeld]

I understand your frustration. See my screenshot. Yours probably says the same. Simply make the 20 = 240. This should fix your issue. In order to get to this dialogue box you must enter custom in the scales drop down.

I hope this helps.

[Anonymous]

Thank you. . . you are dead right I am very frustrated with this.  I need to speak with someone, but of course, that has to be scheduled a week out.

This is not over for me yet.  I did what you said and the problem has not been resolved.
Thank you for taking the time to send the screen grab and try to help.

This shouldn't be this difficult and it's probably not if you know how to do it!  

[michaeld]

Wow. that really should have worked. Double click into your viewport, unlock it and go to custom scales. Select 1:20. click edit. in the scale properties make sure the paper units equals 1 and the drawing units equals 20.

I have no idea what that wouldn't work. Your units appear to be set correctly.

good luck.

[michaeld]

should look like the attached.

[Anonymous]

That's exactly what it looks like.  Mine is set the same way.  Attached jpeg.

[michaeld · Accepted solution]

No. yours says 20 under drawing units. Change that to 240. this will fix your problem.

[user181 · Accepted solution]

Hi @Anonymous,  I think your confusion is with the units. You are drawing in architectural units (1 unit = 1 inch) and you are trying to plot in decimal units (1 unit = 1'). So the drawing is 12 times larger in the viewport because there are 12 inches in a foot. You could use @michaeld suggestion and customize your 1:20 by multiplying the drawing units by 12 (240) or you should be scaling the architectural drawing by 1/12 and setting you drawing units to decimal and then draw your plan in feet and not inches.  

[Anonymous]

Thank you, Michael

I changed it and it worked!  And because of your tenacity, I learned what I need to do. 

My drawing was so large I had to change it to 1:40 and 1 = 480.  Now it's working fine.
Shoowee. . . I was beginning to lose it!

The little image you sent 1 TO 20.png had 1 paper unit = 20 drawing units and it wouldn't work until I change it to 240.  Then I realized I needed to set to 480.
Nevertheless thank you so much for making my life today much easier!

[Anonymous]

Thank you user181,
Appreciate your answer.  In the past, I've always drawn my site plan in a separate drawing set to decimal units and that worked just fine.  I saw a DWG that was drawn in architectural units and all the various layouts set to 1/4"=1' and this drawing had the site plan in model space also.  The site plan layout is scaled at 1"=200'.

Your explanation was very helpful and I appreciate it.  Sometimes you can see the forest because you've got your nose up against a tree!