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OT - Curb Return Design - Plane Method

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jwilkerson
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OT - Curb Return Design - Plane Method

I am looking at the County of Riverside "Plane Method Curb Return Design" worksheet, and think I have found an error in it. Does anyone have a reference that explains in detail how the plane method formulas are derived? A website link would be nice, but I'll take a book reference as well.

Thanks,

Jeff
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Message 2 of 7
Fred Weaver
in reply to: jwilkerson

I don't know how they developed their spec, but the City of Rancho Mirage (std 209) has a more simplified method.
Message 3 of 7
Anonymous
in reply to: jwilkerson

Hey Jeff;

County of Riverside, as in CA?
http://tinyurl.com/ctcuy

That will get you into their PDF file, where you can enter "plane" without
the "", and I found the page you wanted at the 4th hit in the list of 6
possible it found.

Add that page to your Favorites, or save a copy on your server. I think
you'll need it again. 🙂

HTH

--
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"King Of Work-Arounds"
"The only thing worse
than training your staff,
and having them leave is -
not training your staff,
and having them stay."
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wrote in message news:4891552@discussion.autodesk.com...
I am looking at the County of Riverside "Plane Method Curb Return Design"
worksheet, and think I have found an error in it. Does anyone have a
reference that explains in detail how the plane method formulas are derived?
A website link would be nice, but I'll take a book reference as well.

Thanks,

Jeff
Message 4 of 7
Anonymous
in reply to: jwilkerson

Don,
Reread his post....He said he is looking at that and he thinks he found an
error in it. I think he wants another place to look and compare it with this
one.

:-)
Jeff


"Don Reichle" wrote in message
news:4891573@discussion.autodesk.com...
Hey Jeff;

County of Riverside, as in CA?
http://tinyurl.com/ctcuy

That will get you into their PDF file, where you can enter "plane" without
the "", and I found the page you wanted at the 4th hit in the list of 6
possible it found.

Add that page to your Favorites, or save a copy on your server. I think
you'll need it again. 🙂

HTH

--
Don Reichle
"King Of Work-Arounds"
"The only thing worse
than training your staff,
and having them leave is -
not training your staff,
and having them stay."
Courtesy Graphics Solution Providers
--------------------------------------
LDT3/CD3
IntelP4-2.4
1GB RAM
Nvidia GeForce2 MX 32MB
Western Digital Raptor 10K-rpm HD


wrote in message news:4891552@discussion.autodesk.com...
I am looking at the County of Riverside "Plane Method Curb Return Design"
worksheet, and think I have found an error in it. Does anyone have a
reference that explains in detail how the plane method formulas are derived?
A website link would be nice, but I'll take a book reference as well.

Thanks,

Jeff
Message 5 of 7
Anonymous
in reply to: jwilkerson

Any error presented to a bureaucrat must be documented, and that
documentation will need to start with showing them how the error was
produced - by following their procedures.

And to the 1st Jeff - have you called down there to ask them if this is a
"Known Issue"?

Where on that page did you find the error? What part of the calculations?

--
Don Reichle
"King Of Work-Arounds"
"The only thing worse
than training your staff,
and having them leave is -
not training your staff,
and having them stay."
Courtesy Graphics Solution Providers
--------------------------------------
LDT3/CD3
IntelP4-2.4
1GB RAM
Nvidia GeForce2 MX 32MB
Western Digital Raptor 10K-rpm HD


"Jeff Mishler" wrote in message
news:4891578@discussion.autodesk.com...
Don,
Reread his post....He said he is looking at that and he thinks he found an
error in it. I think he wants another place to look and compare it with this
one.

:-)
Jeff


"Don Reichle" wrote in message
news:4891573@discussion.autodesk.com...
Hey Jeff;

County of Riverside, as in CA?
http://tinyurl.com/ctcuy

That will get you into their PDF file, where you can enter "plane" without
the "", and I found the page you wanted at the 4th hit in the list of 6
possible it found.

Add that page to your Favorites, or save a copy on your server. I think
you'll need it again. 🙂

HTH

--
Don Reichle
"King Of Work-Arounds"
"The only thing worse
than training your staff,
and having them leave is -
not training your staff,
and having them stay."
Courtesy Graphics Solution Providers
--------------------------------------
LDT3/CD3
IntelP4-2.4
1GB RAM
Nvidia GeForce2 MX 32MB
Western Digital Raptor 10K-rpm HD


wrote in message news:4891552@discussion.autodesk.com...
I am looking at the County of Riverside "Plane Method Curb Return Design"
worksheet, and think I have found an error in it. Does anyone have a
reference that explains in detail how the plane method formulas are derived?
A website link would be nice, but I'll take a book reference as well.

Thanks,

Jeff
Message 6 of 7
Anonymous
in reply to: jwilkerson

Along these lines, I ran through a test of their Calc sheet using fairly
innocuous data:

PI 1 = 100.00
A = 100.70
B = 99.30
G1 = -2.00%
G2 = -2.00%

Delta = 90-00-00
R = 35.00
L = 54.98
T = 35.00

And ended up with:

M1 = 100.00
M2 = 100.38
M3 = 99.62

Which produced grades from quarter point to quarter point of:
A-M2 = -4.51%
M2-M1 = -2.76%
M1-M3 = -2.76%
M3-B = -2.33%

I'm glad I checked it, because I had a Blunder in it the 1st time through.
But I'll never tell. 🙂

So Jeff Wilkerson, is that 1st grade produced around the curb return and the
Algebraic Difference of 2.51 at point A what's troubling you?

--
Don Reichle
"King Of Work-Arounds"
"The only thing worse
than training your staff,
and having them leave is -
not training your staff,
and having them stay."
Courtesy Graphics Solution Providers
--------------------------------------
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IntelP4-2.4
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Western Digital Raptor 10K-rpm HD


"Don Reichle" wrote in message
news:4891604@discussion.autodesk.com...
Any error presented to a bureaucrat must be documented, and that
documentation will need to start with showing them how the error was
produced - by following their procedures.

And to the 1st Jeff - have you called down there to ask them if this is a
"Known Issue"?

Where on that page did you find the error? What part of the calculations?

--
Don Reichle
"King Of Work-Arounds"
"The only thing worse
than training your staff,
and having them leave is -
not training your staff,
and having them stay."
Courtesy Graphics Solution Providers
--------------------------------------
LDT3/CD3
IntelP4-2.4
1GB RAM
Nvidia GeForce2 MX 32MB
Western Digital Raptor 10K-rpm HD


"Jeff Mishler" wrote in message
news:4891578@discussion.autodesk.com...
Don,
Reread his post....He said he is looking at that and he thinks he found an
error in it. I think he wants another place to look and compare it with this
one.

:-)
Jeff


"Don Reichle" wrote in message
news:4891573@discussion.autodesk.com...
Hey Jeff;

County of Riverside, as in CA?
http://tinyurl.com/ctcuy

That will get you into their PDF file, where you can enter "plane" without
the "", and I found the page you wanted at the 4th hit in the list of 6
possible it found.

Add that page to your Favorites, or save a copy on your server. I think
you'll need it again. 🙂

HTH

--
Don Reichle
"King Of Work-Arounds"
"The only thing worse
than training your staff,
and having them leave is -
not training your staff,
and having them stay."
Courtesy Graphics Solution Providers
--------------------------------------
LDT3/CD3
IntelP4-2.4
1GB RAM
Nvidia GeForce2 MX 32MB
Western Digital Raptor 10K-rpm HD


wrote in message news:4891552@discussion.autodesk.com...
I am looking at the County of Riverside "Plane Method Curb Return Design"
worksheet, and think I have found an error in it. Does anyone have a
reference that explains in detail how the plane method formulas are derived?
A website link would be nice, but I'll take a book reference as well.

Thanks,

Jeff
Message 7 of 7
kmorgheim
in reply to: Anonymous

Does anyone have that reference or calculator?  I can't find it anywhere...the link below does not seem to work...

 

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