Standard layer/ctb evolution thoughts?

Standard layer/ctb evolution thoughts?

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Standard layer/ctb evolution thoughts?

rspearYL2SX
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So long story short, I'm with a new company and have been tasked with optimizing standards, CAD environment and improving civil 3d efficiencies.

 

I've been observing for 6 months now and discussing how they got to where they are and generally just treading lightly to not rustle too many feathers if I can avoid it. 

 

One thing I noticed/disliked was that they use a generally lightweight plotting ctb. I've learned this is because there is a large dept in another part of the country belonging to the main company (many acquisitions over the years) uses half size borders exclusively. So their full size dwgs either looked light or they revised the standard layer colours ad-hoc.

 

Normally, I prefer everything done in full size with one ctb for consistency and just have 2 page setups (1 for half size that has scales line weights applied). However, I think that may be too intrusive for the half size dept. 

 

So I think the best course of action is to introduce a full size ctb for the remaining groups that seem to be open to moderate changes for the better. 

 

Would you agree or are there other options I should explore?

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TheCADnoob
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@rspearYL2SX wrote:

So long story short, I'm with a new company and have been tasked with bringing our optimizing standards, CAD environment and improving civil 3d efficiencies.

 


There is a lot to examine here... most of it doesn't even begin getting into the meat of the technical aspects you are asking about. Having the new guy set standards... sounds like they set you up for failure haha. In my experience CAD standards can be a tough road especially if your company is built of several companies who have their own internal and conflicting standards. 

 

Changes like these can be a mine field. I would say before you make any moves that you have 100% buy in from management. I would make it clear that the first instance of waffling from management it will trigger the end to the effort. They have to take ownership of that and you have to hold them to it! There is no middle ground. You have to have their support across the board. My guess is that once you start peeling back that onion you will find that a lack of a unifying CAD standard is more of a symptom of an un-unified corporate structure more than anything. This is where i urge upmost caution, you cant solve organizational disfunction from the point of a CAD standard. 

 

I have found that rule implementation (Standards) is best when its organic and meets the needs of the users. Its easy to adopt a standard that solves a problem for them, its hard to adopt a standard that makes them work harder (different) than they are used to. What i would do for first step is start making a standard on what they already agree on and what they have a a common ground already. This may help get end user buy in and start the dialogs for the tougher conversations. 

 

If there is no urgency or no need to make changes aside from consistency I would work to setup the standard you think best and get that put into the training and onboarding channels. That way there will be natural adoption. You will also need to make sure that any new people are not trained on any non-conforming standards. Eventually your standards will be adopted, but that is a long process and will not be the quick win anybody wants. 

 

You can also create two standards, or rather create one standard with options. If everyone's systems are working but they are just different, is it really worth breaking entire offices functioning systems? (this is why management buy in is crucial!)

 

I don't know your company or how they are managed but you will probably find the best answer to be just write down what everyone is doing now that is working. If its working don't break it. make that the standard. if you have different standards between offices, you may just have to live with it until you can get a consensus on change. If you want to see changes from there, make sure you have proper buy in and involve the stakeholders in the conversation on how this should change. 

 

That said if your company hired you to overhaul the system at all costs, go nuts haha! Just know that your tenure may be cut short so make sure your compensation includes that level of risk. 

CADnoob

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jreidKVSUZ
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Long and short there are many different ways to go. But there are two main ones that I would start with.

 

US ARMY CORP OF ENGINEERS is a great one:  https://www.erdc.usace.army.mil/Media/Publication-Notices/Article/3847472/aec-computer-aided-design-...

They have blocks, layers, you can download and use.

 

CAD BIM TECHNOLOGY CENTER (I used this for the US Army Corp years ago):  https://cadbimcenter.erdc.dren.mil/Default.aspx?p=a&t=1&i=7

They have blocks, layers, you can download and use.

 

Hope this helps!

 

Thanks, JRR!

 

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rspearYL2SX
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All good points I will take to heart for my general approach.

"You cant solve organizational disfunction from the point of a CAD standard" < this is so true.

 

I should have mentioned I wasn't looking to make the ctb change immediately, rather raise this current issue and present the options to them. So I was just looking for input on the ctb > half size/full size conundrum options.

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rspearYL2SX
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Apologies if I wasn't clear... I was just looking for input on the half size/full size situation. (The rest was a little background)

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apjones
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Since AutoCAD give the option to scale line weights at the time of plotting, why can't they all use the same line weights?

 

@TheCADnoob - You are 100% correct in all that you stated.  Ask me how I know... 

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paullimapa
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Have you tried running third party app to batch convert the half size PDFs to full size to see if the lineweights are acceptable?

https://www.softwarecompanions.com/batch-convert.html


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obulesub
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Hi @rspearYL2SX,

I wanted to check in and see if you saw @apjones @paullimapa  follow up questions and if assistance is still needed or if you found a solution to your question already? Please share any available information so the community can assist you further.

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rspearYL2SX
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There is no solution. It's all subjective... I personally agree with @apjones though.

@paullimapa 's solution isn't really isn't really applicable; more of a pdf workaround.

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AllenJessup
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We use the the two layouts. 11X17 and 24X36. We mostly plot to 11X17 but occasionally need a "Full Size" set.

Also we use a CTB but all of the Lineweights are set to Bylayer. That way the standard layers plot at what the layer is set for. I set that up years ago because I always had user who "couldn't" see yellow of blue that well. Now they can make the layer any color they want as long as the layer lineweight isn't change.

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Hello @rspearYL2SX ,

Did the information provided by AllenJessup  help you and answer your question? If yes, please click on the "Accept Solution" button. This will assist other community users in finding and benefiting from this information. If not, please do not hesitate to give an update in this thread so all community members receive an update on the progression of your question, and can suggest next steps that may be helpful for you to achieve what you're looking for.

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Hi @rspearYL2SX ,

I wanted to check in and see if you still needed assistance, or if you found a solution to your question already? Let us know if you need further assistance by providing an update or if you have found a solution, please share it with the community so other members who may have the same question could learn from your experience.
 

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