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overkill and oops

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overkill and oops

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Hi

I need to find out whats has been deleted by overkill command.

I remember some version back ago, I can use oops command to bring back the deleted object and then move, previous. but now it don't work anymore.

May I know is there any work around for this

Thanks.

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elshawadfy
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Not 2 files @Anonymous, in the end it's one file (the original) with a new layer containing the overkill result, you can give the new layer a special color and high line weight, and send all its objects back with draw order.. now you have thick lines showing the overkill result, and above them the original objects with smaller line weight..

 

You'll be able to see exactly what happened in a glance..

 

If you're satisfied with the result, you can perform the over kill in the original, or lock the layer of the overkill and just delete what you don't want from the originals..

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Anonymous
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did u try it yourself? or just your idea?
I understand what u mean, even the thicker line at the back will not know which pline got overlaps :cara_con_una_leve_sonrisa:
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elshawadfy
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Dear friend,

 

In your original post all you wanted was to be able to return the original objects with oops so that you have both the originals and over kill results to be able to compare..

What I suggested was to do the over kill in a new file (or a copy of the original) and bring the result back to the original file in a new layer.. (the new layer should be created in the original file and the objects should be moved to it before copying the results to the original)

In both cases you'll end up with the same result.. 

 

In addition, as a mean to ease the comparison process, I suggested the thickening of the e new layer, sending objects back with draw order, and locking the new layer..

Now If you just select in any place in the drawing, it wont select in the locked layer, it will only select the originals and you can immediately know what is selected, and if they were one, two or three objects by looking to the count in the properties palette..

 

Good luck..

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Anonymous
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I think I better show u a test dwg to explained.

see attached test.dwg

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elshawadfy
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@Anonymous, Sorry, may be I didn't understand - but how is oops going to be better in finding the duplicates? 

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Anonymous
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I attached a lsp by  Programmed by Dave Aguilar
DUPREM.LSP <c> 1994 Onyx Software

 

load the lsp

select original 605 objects

deleted 5 objects

then oops

then move previous

 

just that overkill is more powerful and not oopsable 

Cheers

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elshawadfy
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Now I understand what you were aiming for..

 

But sadly with AutoCAD's flatten you cant get what you want even if the objects where returned with oops..

 

The command that you shared has an entirely different functionality.. It doesn't modify entities, just deletes "duplicates", so in a way - It finds them for you....  that's why you were able to return and move them

 

Autocad's flatten, modifies entities and merges and combines some of them resulting in some ones different from the originals entirely.. so even if you were to use oops afterwards, you'll get very different results.. and you'll end up comparing by eye also..

 

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And thank you for the Lisp by the way - it's a very useful one :cara_con_una_leve_sonrisa:

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Anonymous
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I uncheck overkill's optimize and combine function to get only fully overlaps or partial overlaps objects. thats all i want. I don't need overkill to optimize my pline. hence should be able to oops only the deleted objects
please add oopsable overkill back as an option like older days.

the lisp I attached just find object with fully overlaps can't find partial overlaps.

@elshawadfy

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elshawadfy
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@Anonymous,

 

If you used overkill without combining elements, partial overlaps will remain as they were (won't be modified), so you won't get any new info out of that..

or did you mean if some objects whre completely overlapped but not identical?

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Anonymous
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May be what I need is the upgrade improve version of duprem.lsp :cara_con_una_leve_sonrisa:
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RobDraw
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@Anonymous wrote:

I uncheck overkill's optimize and combine function to get only fully overlaps or partial overlaps objects. thats all i want. I don't need overkill to optimize my pline. hence should be able to oops only the deleted objects
please add oopsable overkill back as an option like older days.

the lisp I attached just find object with fully overlaps can't find partial overlaps.

@elshawadfy


I was alluding to this before. You are only checking a small portion of the possible errors. Partial overlaps are just as important to catch as duplicates if you want to teach them to be all that they can be. If you're ignoring partial overlaps, you might just be putting a Band-Aid on a knife wound.

 


Rob

Drafting is a breeze and Revit doesn't always work the way you think it should.
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Anonymous
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So by the end of the day, my case is not yet solve.Hombre triste

I have an idea can I load older autocad overkill to my autocad 2015?

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RobDraw
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What if it's the oops command?

Rob

Drafting is a breeze and Revit doesn't always work the way you think it should.
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Alfred.NESWADBA
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Hi,

 

not a solution for AutoCAD users, but just as point to be mentioned for all the readers here using _MAP3D or Civil3D:
The command _MAPCLEAN (>>>details<<<) can find duplicates and can send them to a different layer instead of deleting them, so that is the working alternative (for Map3D/Civil3D) :cara_guiñando_un_ojo:

 

- alfred -

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elshawadfy
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Thank you very much @Alfred.NESWADBA for the tip..

Appreciate it..

 

Can it also find partial overlaps or just duplicates?

I can see from the page you pointed to that it may modify objects.. but doesn't really say how?

 

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Alfred.NESWADBA
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Hi,

 

>> Can it also find partial overlaps

Yes, there are many options for geometry preparation before running GIS-topology-creation, and that options are much more configurable compared to AutoCAD's overkill.

 

- alfred -

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elshawadfy
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Thank you very much Alfred..

 

I'll be doing some more digging in the future :cara_con_una_leve_sonrisa: ..

 

Good luck!

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Anonymous
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@Alfred.NESWADBA


Thanks Alfred you should come in earlier:)

BTW is there possible to migrate the mapclean command into vanilla autocad?

I don't want to buy Map3d or Civil3d just for this command
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Alfred.NESWADBA
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Hi,

 

>> is there possible to migrate the mapclean command into vanilla autocad?

Sorry, no, it's a command only available in Map 3D or Civil 3D.

 

- alfred -

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Anonymous
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alright already solve

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