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2016 breaks 2009

JamesMaeding
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2016 breaks 2009

JamesMaeding
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I have a set of programs I maintain for acad 2009 to current version.

When I installed acad 2016, it broke several things in acad 2009 (actually map 3d and civil3d).

The easiest one to test is open a blank drawing and click a layout tab to switch, it locks.

I also get a "close or debug" error when closing the 2009 session.

 

Curious if others are seeing this.

Not that I expect adesk to care about 2009, but it may indicate they broke something common to all acad versions.

 


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JamesMaeding
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I found that rebuilding the machine from scratch works quite well (and leaving 2016 off of course).

 

This was after many other tries. I would have just let 2009 rot, but I had to rebuild for other reasons.


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JamesMaeding
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yah, its consistent. 2016 breaks every 2009 on all machines I put it on.

 


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Anonymous
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I just discovered this thread because 2016 broke our 2009 products. I wish I had know about this issue before installing Infrustructure Suite 2016 on 4 of my CAD stations. As a general rule we wait for the bugs to get worked out before installing new software. Apparently this is not a bug that have been addressed.

I know this thread is old but is there a resolution to this issue? Can I get my Civil 3D & LDT 2009 to work again without formatting and reinstalling everything?

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lhampton
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The issue that we were having was when you would hit "Plot", 2009 was defaulting to a 2016 printer that would crash it. We were able to chnge the default pinter so that it would not crash. But we ended up discovering more problems that 2016 caused with 2009 so we did an un-install of both and went to the C3D 2015/LDT 2009 combo.

 

You should call your re-seller and complain for sure (we have). Autodesk does NOT listen to its customers but the re-sellers can at least contact someone.

 

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JamesMaeding
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We have not found a fix yet. I cannot really test a lot either because I cannot be breaking and reformatting all day.

Autodesk probably likes that 2016 breaks 2009, but they should not like that it affects 2015 also.

The message from autodesk is loud and clear to us "We want to make money off our current software investments, there is no room for real interations on foundational issues. We will add bells and whistles, but you better like the foundation."

That's ok, so we have started replacing things like civil3d with our own programs and its been the best thing because we can fix things, and do not have to worry about autodesk discontinuing or breaking features we rely upon to get plans out.

Learn .net and look into bricscad. Autocad is just another dwg editor now.


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Anonymous
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Our issue has been with the layout tabs right click and die scenario. We haven't been far enough along to find anything else wrong. We are going with 2009/2015 as well because we had were no issues with it previously.

 

Did uninstalling 2016 and 2009 and reinstalling 2009 fix the issue with 2009?  Should we do a clean uninstall of 2009 to remove all remnants of the application? I know this will remove the license and will force me deal directly with the evil overlords to get it reactivated but these machines need to get back in production.

 

Our reseller has been helpful and sympathetic, but unable to fix the issues. Sympathy is not what I need now, a solution is what I need.

 

Maybe it's time to look at Microstation and dump AutoDesk...

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JamesMaeding
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that sounds familiar, the tab stuff. I have not found that uninstalling fixes either 2009 or 2015. There is something common among them that gets stepped on, then the uninstaller does not remove it because it common, or something....

I had to have every machine rebuilt.

The people I am helping with 2009 will be off it in a bit, so I might be able to try again, as a repair install did fix some of the 2015 issues.

 

What we are seeing is autodesk cannot handle doing yearly releases. They rush certain things, for what? Now that subscription or rental is the only way to buy, why do this yearly rediculousness any more? If the dwg format changes every three releases, make a version every dwg change. Then make updates so we get stuff whenever they feel its ready.

 

BTW, the business model they are running is not healthy for themselves IMO. They need competition to stay honest, and Bricscad has not caught on quite yet, so they don't have enough. This leads to the technical teams playing things risky, as the consequinces of failure are low. Then they forget who to listen to, and how to fix certain things, and the history of things. I've watched that happen with civil3d, and so many companies have moved back to almost hand drafting road and profiles.

They need to stop listening to their marketing teams telling them the cloud is the thing, and that interfaces should work on mobile devices. They screwed up the infraworks interface for mobile, and seem to want to tell us its a good thing. Its playland at autodesk it seems. That can't continue for too long.


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m_kingdon
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Could you partition your hard drive and install the two versions of AutoCAD separately?

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JamesMaeding
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no, as autocad, and every other serious program I know uses the windows registry, which is in one spot for all progs.

You would have to have complete separate windows install going to do what you suggest.


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Anonymous
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Bumping this for anymore info. Our company was about to rollout 2016 to all our offices but had to pump the brakes when this problem was found. Many styles were created using 2016 for this purpose and it's going to be scary hoping everything just works on a previous version in 2015. 

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