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More 3D Conversion Problems

S2kSean
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More 3D Conversion Problems

S2kSean
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Hey all, having another problem with a new project. 

I went over my old thread from a couple months ago where I was looking for help turning a 2D drawing, into a 3D object so I could add more elements (such as counter boring, etc.). With that project, I was able to get the drawing working and had the piece CNC cut with success.

I can't seem to find the fault in my drawing to turn it into a 3D ring with holes in it.

I feel like the inner and/or outer borders must not be properly joined somewhere, but when selected they each say they are closed.

When I select all the elements and try to EXTRUE them to a 3D object, the whole centre extrudes as well.

 

What am I missing!?

I've attached a screen shot of the drawing, but also the .dwg file if anyone is willing to open it up and have a look at it. 

There must be something I'm doing wrong once again, or just simply over looking. 

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maxim_k
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Hi Sean,

 

If I understood your goal correctly, you need to use EXTRUDE command at first on all 2D objects in the drawing, then use SUBTRACT command to subtract unnecessary parts.

See attached DWG.

 

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S2kSean
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Oh wow.

Thank you for the fast response, and with the stepped .dwg! 

Yes, you understood the end goal perfectly.

 

For future reference, is this method always the case when creating 3D from 2D? 

I ask because I don't recall doing that on my last project, but again that was months ago and this is just me hobbying around as totally new to CAD every now and again.

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>>> is this method always the case when creating 3D from 2D?

Yes, this method is one of the most reliable.

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S2kSean
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I still must be doing something incorrectly.

 

I've EXTRUDED the whole 2D drawing to 0.750" by typing:

- EXTRUDE > MODE > SOLID > SELECT DRAWING > SET THICKNESS

I've SUBTRACTED the large centre hole by typing:

- SUBTRACT > SELECT OUTER RING > ENTER > SELECT INNER RING > ENTER

I can then SUBTRACT the same way to create the through holes, but I can't seem to get the counter bores around the holes. Should I create the counter bore circles while the image is still in 2D, or should this be done once the drawing is in 3D and the through holes have been made?

 

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2017-09-16_12-30-29.png

 

If yes, then you can use CHAMFER command on 3D edge:

 

https://knowledge.autodesk.com/support/autocad-for-mac/learn-explore/caas/CloudHelp/cloudhelp/2017/E...

 

Maxim

 


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Not quite, although that link will definitely prove useful in the future!

For this I'm looking for straight counterbores to put an allen-head (socket-head) bolt into. So, straight cut down, not tapered.

 

For example, (numbers are not correct but for ease of explanation):

- The adapter thickness is 0.750"

- The through holes need a diameter of 0.500" 

- The counterbores need diameter of 0.750"

- The counterbore only needs to be 0.500" deep (2/3rds the way through).

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So you need to create cylinders for counterbores and SUBTRUCT them.

 

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S2kSean
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For whatever reason that attached .dwg won't open. Says it's too new. However, I figured out what you mean and have made it work!

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maxim_k
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Sorry, at this point I worked in AutoCAD 2018 for Windows and saved your drawing in 2018 DWG format.

Just in case I am  attaching that drawing in 2013 DWG format.

 

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Your step by step drawing was extremely helpful. I wish there was more stuff like that online to follow specific processes. Obviously what I'm doing here is super basic and isn't even covering 1% of AutoCADs functions and uses, but I'm SUPER new to this and trying to do some basic brackets and adapter plates and things like that. I was able to follow your drawing and come up with, what should be, half of the useable piece. I need to measure up the transmission side of things and add the holes for that to the drawing this week. My friend whom uses Solid Works told me that that program has a function for selecting a hole and telling it that it needs to be threaded at (for example) M10x1.25. Does AutoCAD have any functionality like that? It would be really nice if I could get to the point where I could just send a file to a CNC shop and they didn't have to do any work on the drawing, just make the piece! *Attached my creation*
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>>>Does AutoCAD have any functionality like that?

No, plain AutoCAD doesn't have such functionality.
Not sure, but maybe AutoCAD Mechanical (PC only) have something like this.

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The counterpart to Solidworks is Autodesk Inventor; however, that's Windows only, there's no native Mac version.  You'd need to dual boot (emulation *might* be acceptable, however it's highly dependent on graphics systems so it's best to have full access to your hardware).  Like Solidworks it provides a parametric environment so holes match bolt size and location, parts can be intelligently linked, and so on.  It's also better at handling detailed 3D solids than AutoCAD (note that it doesn't do detailed threads by default, as industrial standards make that level of detail irrelevent).

 

Backing up a bit, I do quite a bit of 3D in AutoCAD.  My normal plan of attack is to look at what needs to be produced, how much detail is required, and how much duplication there is, before starting.  Most especially I'm looking for "exploits" - places where I can duplicate, or mirror, or otherwise not have to do the same thing from scratch multiple times.  For a mounting flange like the attached PNG, I would first work out the overall shape, including the major central void.  I'd be tempted to include some of the exterior "bulges" supporting the bolting if they require fillets, although I might UNION additional circles later if that would work out easier.  Then I'd start looking at requirement for bolts, including countersinking, and make one of each type.  Those would get copied to the appropriate location before being used for SUBTRACT or possible SLICE to get the end result step-by-step.

 

All along the process, I'd be taking a copy-forward approach before each major modification i.e. take the work, make a copy next to it, then operate on the copy.  Sometimes the operations don't go how I want, so being able to "step back" is handy.  Many times I'm making multiple variants on a single option so that also helps when starting from a common base.

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S2kSean
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Thanks!

I've just started playing with the program but even at my most intricate piece, it would be simple in comparison to what I'm sure you all are producing.

 

So far my main 2 projects using AutoCAD need the holes to be very accurate. They have both been engine to transmission adapters so at the very least, center and dowel points need to be precise. My procedure may or may not have been "proper" but the last one worked out so I stuck with the same method this time haha.

 

I've basically taught myself how to use the program with the exception of the help of a few very helpful gentlemen on here, so it's been quite the learning curve. I'd like to become more fluid in it.

 

I do like the idea of working off a copy for some of the things I've done so far while just playing around.

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