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source and destination wire type change

source and destination wire type change

Hi Guys

After you have completed your source and destiantion arrow, if you change the source wire type it does not update the destination wire type.

 

it would be really nice if we didnt have to manually change the destination to match the source if the wre type changes

 

Thanks

Ian

24 Comments
miles.nicholson
Advocate

completely agree

ccad2509
Advisor

Yes I will go with that one with the added proviso

 

try this

have two wires on different pages with different wire types

connect them with to/from arrows

Acade will recognise your trying to connect wires of different types (good so far)

now it asks you if it wants to change the destination wire type (which is good)

 

Bug no1

If the layer does not exist on destination drawing it will create the wire layer as white with a solid line and not transfer over these layer properties (not so good)

 

Bug No2

It will change all wires connected on the destination wire regardless of device or device properties to the source wire layer data so if you have this wire going to a terminal and on the other side your have defined a cable and made the line dashed (pretty common practice for field cables) then everything will go as per bug 1

 

why am I telling you this is its quite simple if they are likely to implement this idea which piece of code are they going to use as a basis of creating this function

 

Clear the two bugs first before you try this

 

Still Just A User

Not A Consultant

t_chaws
Alumni
Status changed to: Under Review

Hi,

 

Thank you for your Idea! We have added your idea to our research bucket and will be looking into it for our subsequent releases! 

 

Keep posting new ideas and dont forget to support others by giving kudos to their ideas. 

 

Best Regards, 
AutoCAD Electrical Team

This is a great request.  It is something that I asked for some years ago, but since there was no idea station I think it got shuffled and lost.  Now that you have the wire type import function, why not employ it to copy the layer from the source network to the destination network, complete with color and wire type assignments?  And if the wire type is changed on either the source or destination end, please provide the popup dialog to solve the wire type mismatch.

 

I would also add that this should be something that Electrical Audit looks for, just in case some specific workflow circumvents the realtime checks that attempt to ensure the wire types match on both the source and destination networks.

chris.downing
Collaborator

this is a great idea!!

Anonymous
Not applicable

And when you add the possibility to synchronize description text if you change it on Source or Destination arrow, it will be much greater!

Anonymous
Not applicable

Its a great idea!

 

 

It will be great if this function do this in next releases.

testsubject
Advisor

This should be at the top of the list. SolidWorks Electrical (which I really hate) has this! It is a basic function that would be used everyday.

This fix is long overdue.  It is a huge time-soaker to surf to every destination and manually change the wire type.  And, when you fix this, be sure to trigger an update of the associated wire color/gauge labels on the source and destination networks.  The software shouldn't get new features until time-soakers like this have been fixed.  It's the same for wire number changes.  If wire numbers are changed in a project, the wire annotations on footprints and terminal strips should automatically update and a popup warning to Update Existing reports should appear.  This is another time-soaker.  You have to manually rebuild every graphical and tabular terminal strip in order to update the wire numbers.  You have to re-run the Wire Annotation utility to update components.  Then you have to re-run the From/To Report and select Update Existing.  This is too much to remember and leads to errors in documentation that software like AutoCAD Electrical should prevent.

Anonymous
Not applicable

Still isn't fixed in ACADE 2019. It prompts when making new connections but fails to prompt when updating wires connected to an existing arrow.

Anonymous
Not applicable

Running ACADE 2021 and this issue is still to be addressed.
I have 200 sheets in one Project with a common Controls Bus and guess what...... I need to open each dwg to manually process a stupid wire type change.

Seems like this should have been taken more seriously in 2012 when @dougmcalexander flagged it to the Devs.!

 

Grrrrrrr.

 

-Steve.

miles.nicholson
Advocate

Hi Nate,

yes, thanks. I noticed it in the new beta. Good things come to those who wait.

miles.nicholson
Advocate
Fantastic
miles.nicholson
Advocate
I've tried it out. I can remember requesting this one :winking_face:
rhesusminus
Mentor

I thought there was this NDA clause with the beta, that you shouldn't discuss this outside of the BETA forums :grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes:
So, you're back on fixing bugs in AcadE Nate?

Status changed to: Implemented

Hi all,

One of the top voted ideas in the AutoCAD Electrical Idea station is now available in AutoCAD Electrical 2024. With this feature, wire type can now be synchronized for all wires in the network with the same signal code across the drawings.

 

In previous releases, when you update the type of the wire connected to the source arrows, the destination wire type was not updated. In AutoCAD Electrical 2024 toolset, when the wire type is updated at the source arrow, all wires in the network are updated to the same wire type of the source. New wire layers are created along with its properties if the destination drawing doesn’t contain the new wire type.

 

However the workflow only applies to destination when source is changed and not vice versa.

 

When you change the wire type and right click, it will prompt for “Check for DEST wire layer mismatches?”. If you click ok, it will give options to update or skip all the destination wires. Below pictures show the workflow when immediate update is carried out.

jayapriyaramasamy_0-1681293224662.png

 

If you click skip, you can sync up the wire layers later using AESYNCWIRETYPE command as shown below.

jayapriyaramasamy_1-1681293224670.png

 

 

Refer to the online help topic below.

AutoCAD Electrical 2024 Help | Choose Destination Wire Layers to Update Dialog Box | Autodesk

 

Thanks,

Jaya Priya Ramasamy

ccad2509
Advisor

ONLY 8 YEARS LATE

well done at this rate ACADE will become a usable product about 50 years after my death !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

sig.johnson
Contributor

Is there a way to disable this popup? Every time I change a signal code, a brief delay occurs, then the "check for dest wire layer mismatches" popup shows up. As I do not use separate layers for different types of wires, I have to click "Skip" for every wire I change.

 

Similarly, changing a signal code that already has a matching pair provokes a dialog asking whether the matching pair should also have its signal code updated. Is there a way to disable this popup as well?

 

Combined, these popups increase the time it takes to change a signal code (I do this very often) from ~1.5s to >5s. I totally understand that these new features are extremely valuable in many (most?) situations, but in my case, more often than not, I find that I don't want to make the suggested change and it just slows me down significantly.

That feature cannot be disabled by unchecking the option for real-time error checking in project properties.  That feature protects us from trying to tie two different wire types together via source/destination pairs.  That isn’t allowed.  If you already have the same wire type layer assigned for both the source and destination wires, you won’t see that popup.

sig.johnson
Contributor

Hi Doug, Thanks for the response.

 

Yeah -- I did try disabling real-time error checking earlier and you're right, there was no improvement.

 

Unfortunately, this popup occurs even when editing the signal code for a source arrow that does not yet have a destination arrow. So it's not protecting from any actual design mistake, it's just a popup that must be dismissed once per wire.

 

Additionally, I only have one wire type defined in the whole project, so it shouldn't be possible to have a wire type mismatch. I think it's just detecting that there's no destination arrow and giving a popup because it's confused how that could be.

 

Sig

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