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ACE08 - Attribute Value Not Editable in Block DWG

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Anonymous
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ACE08 - Attribute Value Not Editable in Block DWG

Hello.

Is this Acad 08 related or is are there yet darker forces at work? I am
unable to edit the value field of a block attribute in its own drawing. I
have also attempted using the BATTMAN command, and the edits in this dialog
seem to take when I apply them, but the change still does not show up in the
actual drawing attribute.

Thanks,
Andrew
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Message 2 of 8
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Hello Andrew

Could you post a sample drawing with the problem and point out the
area/block to look at and the specific attribute(s) that you are
experiencing this problem with. When you post it, I will take a look and
see what I can find/figure out....

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Product Designer - AutoCAD Electrical
Autodesk, Inc.
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Check out the AutoCAD Electrical blog by Nate Holt at:
http://mfgcommunity.autodesk.com/blog/nate/
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"Andrew Fenton" wrote in message
news:5606207@discussion.autodesk.com...
Hello.

Is this Acad 08 related or is are there yet darker forces at work? I am
unable to edit the value field of a block attribute in its own drawing. I
have also attempted using the BATTMAN command, and the edits in this dialog
seem to take when I apply them, but the change still does not show up in the
actual drawing attribute.

Thanks,
Andrew
Message 3 of 8
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Thanks, Jared,

In addition to the dwg file, I've included a screenshot JPEG (hope this is
OK). On this I show the DESC1 attribute selected. In the properties dialog
to the side, I have VALUE selected, but no cursor is available in this
field. I am able to edit the PROMPT and TAG name fields, but not the value.
Every attribute is seems to behave in this manner. The FAMILY and TAG
attributes do have a value assigned to them because I used ACE's Symbol
Builder to add them. However, this tool does not offer the option of
editing other attributes' values, and even if it did, I would still have to
ponder why I cannot edit the VALUE directly through the properties box.

Thanks for your consideration.

Best regards,
Andrew


"Jared Bunch" wrote in message
news:5606413@discussion.autodesk.com...
Hello Andrew

Could you post a sample drawing with the problem and point out the
area/block to look at and the specific attribute(s) that you are
experiencing this problem with. When you post it, I will take a look and
see what I can find/figure out....
Message 4 of 8
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Just a bit more information...

As I create a block on a blank dwg file or a pre-existing one for that
matter, I can manually add attributes using ATTDEF. Here, as with the
FAMILY and TAG settings on the Symbol Builder, I can set an initial value
for the attribute. Once the attribute is created, however, the value field
under Properties is no longer editable. It is almost as if the value field
was set to constant, but of course it is not!

I suppose I can go back and manually replace my attributes using ATTDEF, but
this is a painfully slow procedure. Any better fix would be greatly
appreciated.

Thanks,
Andrew
Message 5 of 8
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Andrew

I have verified the behavior that you are seeing and note that it
appears to be something in core AutoCAD's Property Palette, and as far as I
could tell, nothing specifically related to AutoCAD Electrical. I have
logged the issue and if I receive more information regarding this as either
being a planned change in functionality, or an issue that needs to be
address, I will be sure to pass it along.

If you can give me more details on exactly what it is you are trying to
accomplish, maybe I could see if there is another method or workaround that
I am aware of to get you to where you want to be. Right now, I would not
see editing the default value of attributes as being something that would
normally need done on a regular basis....

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Jared Bunch
Product Designer - AutoCAD Electrical
Autodesk, Inc.
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Check out the AutoCAD Electrical blog by Nate Holt at:
http://mfgcommunity.autodesk.com/blog/nate/
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"Andrew Fenton" wrote in message
news:5606803@discussion.autodesk.com...
Just a bit more information...

As I create a block on a blank dwg file or a pre-existing one for that
matter, I can manually add attributes using ATTDEF. Here, as with the
FAMILY and TAG settings on the Symbol Builder, I can set an initial value
for the attribute. Once the attribute is created, however, the value field
under Properties is no longer editable. It is almost as if the value field
was set to constant, but of course it is not!

I suppose I can go back and manually replace my attributes using ATTDEF, but
this is a painfully slow procedure. Any better fix would be greatly
appreciated.

Thanks,
Andrew
Message 6 of 8
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

"Jared Bunch" wrote in message
news:5607749@discussion.autodesk.com...

> If you can give me more details on exactly what it
> is you are trying to accomplish, maybe I could see
> if there is another method or workaround that I am
> aware of to get you to where you want to be. Right
> now, I would not see editing the default value of
> attributes as being something that would normally
> need done on a regular basis....

...which, if I can respectfully suggest, is why this behaviour was perhaps
missed in testing. Please forgive me if I presume too much, but if a
planned functionality change was made it would seem that a read-only value
field in the Properties box would be greyed-out as are the other read-only
fields.

As to the question of whether what I am attempting is typically done, I
happily concede the possibility that it is not. Being self-taught in
AutoCAD, probably many of my methods are atypical. I do know however that I
have used ACE since the 2005 release and vanilla AutoCAD going back to
Release 12 and recall always having had attribute value editing capability.

I use ACE primarily for wire diagrams. The pre-fabricated components are
generally quite useful, but very frequently I require custom block drawings
of multi-terminal modules with a wide variety of functions. Normally, these
are not included in ACE's built-in blocks. One such device was shown in the
previous attachment.

In the development of these blocks, default values are assigned usually in
an ad hoc manner with respect to the first project they are used on. As we
re-use the blocks, I revisit the default values in an attempt to make the
block more serviceable for general projects.

Thank you for your time and interest. I look forward to the conclusion.

Best regards,
Andrew
Message 7 of 8
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Andrew

I may also suggest that you post something in the AutoCAD newsgroup as
it is possibly someone there has run into this or knows something about
it....I took a quick look throug the postings and didn't see anything that
appeared to be related to this though.

So if I understand your workflow correctly, you have created a block
during "Project A" and in that project you populated the attributes with
specific default values that were commonly used in that project. Now, in
"Project B", these values are different from "Project A" and are the same
often enough in "Project B" that it is more time conscious to modify the
default values, rather than to just update the information after the block
is placed. When these values need modified, I can see where using the
Properties Palette can work very quickly, but as you have found and has now
been turned in, we are seeing that currently this workflow is not working as
we would expect or how it has in the past.
How about double-clicking on the attribute definition? When you do
this, it will bring up the "EDIT ATTRIBUTE DEFINITION" dialog where you can
enter the "default" value for the attribute. Once you hit OK here, you are
still in the command and you can simply pick on your next attribute to get
the dialog again and enter its' DEFAULT value, hit OK again and continue
this process until you have edited all the attribute default values that you
need to. I know this adds an additional click to the workflow you are used
to because of the OK button, but I think this should allow you to move
through and edit these values relatively quickly as well.

I hope this helps!

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Jared Bunch
Product Designer - AutoCAD Electrical
Autodesk, Inc.
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Check out the AutoCAD Electrical blog by Nate Holt at:
http://mfgcommunity.autodesk.com/blog/nate/
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"Andrew Fenton" wrote in message
news:5607808@discussion.autodesk.com...
"Jared Bunch" wrote in message
news:5607749@discussion.autodesk.com...

> If you can give me more details on exactly what it
> is you are trying to accomplish, maybe I could see
> if there is another method or workaround that I am
> aware of to get you to where you want to be. Right
> now, I would not see editing the default value of
> attributes as being something that would normally
> need done on a regular basis....

...which, if I can respectfully suggest, is why this behaviour was perhaps
missed in testing. Please forgive me if I presume too much, but if a
planned functionality change was made it would seem that a read-only value
field in the Properties box would be greyed-out as are the other read-only
fields.

As to the question of whether what I am attempting is typically done, I
happily concede the possibility that it is not. Being self-taught in
AutoCAD, probably many of my methods are atypical. I do know however that I
have used ACE since the 2005 release and vanilla AutoCAD going back to
Release 12 and recall always having had attribute value editing capability.

I use ACE primarily for wire diagrams. The pre-fabricated components are
generally quite useful, but very frequently I require custom block drawings
of multi-terminal modules with a wide variety of functions. Normally, these
are not included in ACE's built-in blocks. One such device was shown in the
previous attachment.

In the development of these blocks, default values are assigned usually in
an ad hoc manner with respect to the first project they are used on. As we
re-use the blocks, I revisit the default values in an attempt to make the
block more serviceable for general projects.

Thank you for your time and interest. I look forward to the conclusion.

Best regards,
Andrew
Message 8 of 8
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Ah haaa!

Neat workaround. It probably demonstrates the advantage of standardized
training. Yes, one only has a finite number of clicks that one can use in a
lifetime, but this is much better than completely replacing each attribute
definition.

You do seem to grasp my workflow.

Thanks, Jared.

Andrew

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