Set 0,0 in paper space to insert Title Block that was drawn in model space correctly

[Anonymous]

how do I set 0,0 in paper space to receive the Title Block I drew in Model Space with lower left corner at 0,0,0

  Help, Please!

[pendean · Accepted solution]

There is nothing to set: are you sure your source titleblock is at the universal 0,0,0 position?
Show us, post your DWG files.

[David_W_Koch · Accepted solution]

I am not certain I understand the problem.  Is your title block in model space of the same file that you are trying to create a set up a layout with the title block at 0,0 on the layout?  Why not just insert the title block at 0,0 in the layout?

You can also create a viewport and set it up so that you can see your model space title block at the desired size and then move the viewport, snapping the lower left corner of the title block as the start point and typing 0,0 as the destination point.

[dbroad · Accepted solution]

Paper space doesn't work that way.  0,0 stays in one place and the page moves relative to the origin depending on what you are plotting and the printer's plotting area.  Insert the titleblock where you want it and then decide what you want to plot (layout, extents, or window). Don't use display.  Typically I create a block with a non-plottable outline equal to the page size I wan to plot on.  I insert it at 0,0 and choose plot window and center plot.  That way the plotted geometry of my titleblock is always exactly where I want it.

[Anonymous]

 Thank you for your advise on this one.  I should have thought more clearly and realized that I cannot 'set' 0,0 in paper space.  That IS set already.  Duh.

I have tried, years ago before I knew better, to have the title block, drawn in model space, to be in a viewport.  Not the most efficient way, I found out through personal experience.  Paper space won me over immediately.  Paper space is my friend.  I cannot remember if Release 10, when I first began AutoCAD back in the day, had paper space??  What was that, 1990s era?  Yikes.

My goal is to make a template TB that will be positioned at 0,0,0 properly in model space, so that 0,0,0 in model space is 0,0 in paper space when I insert the TB as an xref, right?  That is my goal for a 36x24 TB.

Oh, will I need to purge the TB out of the drawing I want to insert the TB into, when I have made changes to the TB and want to re-insert the revised TB?  Of course, I have already removed it from the external reference tool palette.

Could it be that my ltscale, msltscale, and psltscale are some number other than 1?  But, that just affects annotation, right?  I've been at AutoCAD since Release 10, and I am probably stuck in my thinking because I've never been taught this deep AutoCAD 'stuff'. I work the program and draw building plans. The IT guy always came to the rescue.  Now, Covid has me figuring things out I never saw myself understanding.  Obviously, this is one of them.

I will start fresh, back where I know something, and move forward from there.  Hopefully, I will lose old bad AutoCAD habits I probably taught myself.

You guys, thank you, all of you, for coming to my rescue.  People like me truly appreciate people like you who know more than we do.  You are my new best friends!!

Thank you.

[Anonymous]

Thank you so much for reading my woe.  You still xref the TB into other drawings paper space, right?

[Anonymous · Accepted solution]

You're so right. That is a perfect idea for just me. My situation is that I do not actually plot, but my employer does the plotting at the office. I need to plot to a .pdf, but I can do that from plotting a window around my border. Duh.

It was when he was in the office (I work from home) and had to make changes on-the-fly, and my settings did not match his settings for his plotter. He was plotting from the drawing and not the .pdf OR from a 'centered plot window'. Argh.

Thank you for that. It has finally sunk in. Yea!!

[Anonymous · Accepted solution]

As you can see from other replies I made to others who offered help, I realize now that paper space 0,0 is what it is because its already set.  Duh.  I didn't realize that or thought I needed to try that because I wasn't coming up with anything that was helping.

I will go back to the beginning where I do know something and move forward from there.  I will take what all of you offered as solutions and get this right.

Thank you for your help and time!

[dbroad]

Yes. I xref the project titleblock with the project information filled in and insert a portion of the titleblock that is sheet specific.  Either that or I use sheetsets (including the one built into the project navigator).

[Anonymous · Accepted solution]

It turns out that I am the problem. I'm an immediate gratification kind of girl, and when things don't go well after I've really messed things up, THEN I ask for help. I can't see the forest for the trees sometimes, not all the time, just sometimes. This is one of those times.

My title block is drawn in model space at what I thought was 0,0,0. That seems to be my problem. I will put out a notice when I have successfully completed this TB thing.

Thanks for your time and help!

[Anonymous]

Oh-oh...I chose to draw a line in Paper Space in the drawing I am having trouble with the whole 0,0 in Paper Space and 0,0,0 in Model Space.

While in Paper Space at the command line, I type "L" (enter), type "0,0" (enter), and the line begins lower left away from the LL corner of my page setup by -4 7/16",-8 7/16".

SO, I set the LL corner of the title block in Model Space that distance exactly away from 0,0,0.

I shouldn't have to do that, so I began by asking the community here if PS has a 'set-all the time in the same spot-doesn't change ever' 0,0. Apparently, it does, or I'm so far into the woods I cannot find my way back to correct settings.

What did I unintentionally do here? I'm using work-arounds, and shouldn't have to, right?

[dbroad · Accepted solution]

Perhaps, try to read my 2nd post again. It doesn't matter where 0,0 is in paper space.  Just be consistent. Set up logical plotting procedures. I prefer using window. Always plot 1:1.  Use blocks for titleblocks. Draw only what is necessary to connect views in paper space to one another.

[Anonymous]

Yes, I understand. As long as the points are consistent between Model and Paper Space the TB will insert at the correct location. I just don't like it when things are not working as intended. Argh! Other projects TBs insert just fine. It's this ONE that is a bear to figure out without actually copying and pasting everything into new drawings...the TB in one, and my .dwg in another to just begin over again. I get so mad when I cannot figure something out. More than likely, when I truly stop thinking about it, the reason things are not working correctly will come to mind. Double Argh!!

Then, all will be right in my AutoCAD world once again. That is, until the next mystery rears its problematic head as it were.

Thank you, dbroad, for your attention to my dilemma. I appreciate your help!

[David_W_Koch]

Any chance that in the file where you have drawn your title block graphics in Model Space, that a different coordinate system is active now from when you checked the location of 0,0, and that is offsetting the insertion point when externally referencing that file into a layout of another file?

Also check the value of INSBASE in the title block graphics file.  That defines the insertion point when that file is inserted or externally referenced.  If that is not set to 0,0,0 and your title block is drawn correctly, relative to 0,0,0, that will put the insertion point somewhere that you likely do not intend.

[Anonymous]

Thank you.  You are so thoughtful to help me.  I did try INBASE command, in both paper and model space.

Model space - 0,0,0 seems tp be in its correct location.

Paper space - 0,0 seems to want to be at -4 5/8,-8 3/16.  At least that is where 0,0 seems to be from the lower left corner of the plot space I have determined for a 24x36 piece o' paper.  This is driving me bonkers because I cannot figure out why?  ARGH!

As I mentioned in another reply, I can work around this but I would really like to know WHY! this is happening.

Thank you ALL, again.  I will re-read your responses to see what i am missing.  It's gotta be me.  You all have answers.

[David_W_Koch]

Not sure I fully understand.  Are you measuring from the physical corner of the sheet of paper on which you plotted to graphics that you have at 0,0 in the title block?  Perhaps the plotter settings include margins that set the printable area to be inside the physical edges of the sheet of paper?

[Anonymous]

Finally, I found time on how to put a snapshot onto this screen of my  (#/*&%@) issue with a TB and inserting the TB drawn in Model Space into Paper Space at the correct location.  This is maddening, because I do not know how to fix this...just to work around it.  Note: I do have to move the TB to the correct location.  It will not put itself in the correct location.  I hope someone has the answer for me please.  Thank you!!

[Anonymous]

Hello, Pendean:

I finally found time, ahem, made time to learn how to post an attachment.  Duh, right?

Here is my dilemma. still...with MS 0,0,0 and PS 0,0.  I hope you are able to solve this conundrum, because I am at a loss.

[David_W_Koch]

What are we seeing in the Paper Space screenshot?  If the cyan rectangle is supposed to be the title block border, that is not the same as what is shown in Model Space.  Attaching sample files of your title block file and the sheet file into which you have inserted it would enable this to be resolved much faster.

I have attached two files.  Title Block 01.dwg has title block border graphics in Model Space, drawn at full size for a 42x30 sheet.  There is a non-plotting polyline rectangle that defines the 42x30 extents, with the lower left corner at 0,0,0.  The World Coordinate System [WCS] is active, the title block is drawn in the WCS X-Y plane and INSBASE is set to 0,0,0. 

Sheet File01.dwg has Title Block 01.dwg inserted as a block into Paper Space of the layout in that file with its insertion point at 0,0.  (It could just as easily be an external reference.)  Is that what you are trying to achieve?

[Anonymous]

Please excuse my ignorance.  I have been at AutoCAD since Rel. 10, and just recently have I had to figure things out on my own working at home.  Didn't know the procedure of placing actual .dwgs here without being 'secret' and all.  ...these days, right? Argh!

I have attached the two ISSUE files for your reference.  As I may have said already many times is, it is more of a mission to figure out what to do here than to work around this.

I don't know why the TB will not insert into PS at the correct location, if the TB has been drawn correctly in MS at 0,0,0 where I would like the TB to be inserted into PS in different .dwg.

Why is PS 0,0 not correlating to MS 0,0,0 to set the TB properly into PS?