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staggered holes / bolts

staggered holes / bolts

it would be good if we could put staggered hole on a beam with the coomands in the objects/connection objects

connetion objects.PNG

manly im thinking the 2 point or center

say u wont to put staggered hole along a beam  (ofen for timber to be attached in houses )

this is quite a simple concept but to model this requires a lot of work (just took me 7 minutes )

if we had proper stager hole option this could be dun in 17 seconds (7 seconds be a bit tight)

 

there was a stager hole option in a graitec power pack a few years ago   but it was completely useless  well i never made a staggered pattern it could make , because i think u could not have a 2 by x  pattern like shown below

2 by x   bacis stagged patern.PNG

this is the only staggered pattern i have ever needed   , an it was not  possible with power pack  

 

 

 

13 Kommentare
mick-CNF
Advisor

Staggered holes are already in the PowerPack.Screenshot (293).png

mick-CNF
Advisor

Sorry I didn't read your whole post.

You can achieve the stagger you show in your image with the PowerPack.

alickomay
Collaborator

 last i tried the power pack about 2-3 years ago it or i could not get that result

all so it made opening any "advance joint properties" take significantly longer  like 2-3 fold longer 

and  the power pack is separate add on  

id like this  on standard ,AS

AleckGiles
Advisor

Hi,

You can also try the "Bolts on Beam" building brick on the Custom Connections page of the Palette. This can do staggered patterns too.

alickomay
Collaborator

Aleck   i just tried out your suggestion  and its a lot better then be for , just took me 2 minutes  instead of 7 :daumen_hoch:

but if the command had a layout 2   i think it could of been done in less then 30 seconds

wot do i mean by layout 2

bolts on beam.PNG

as u can see above  layout  is set to center this  center the bolts along y axis   

if there was a layout 2  that center the bolts along X axis this task could be complete about 4 fold faster then the 3.5x increase u just achieved 

 

on a side note , not having to set up ucs  with this command is nice , u can put bolt properly on web or any flange with out touching the ucs 

alickomay
Collaborator

under  further investigation  , zoomed out a bit an seen both ends of beam 

i have to conclude the bolts on beam  can not produce  staggered holes

the second i zoomed out i seen the end's where not even  , that qa team  needs an over hall

 

the problem is that the command  only allows  staggered holes  in pairs

below is a beam 2m long  i tried to stager hole's along the 2 m with 100mm edge distance and 100mm hole spacing 

this would  require 19 holes but u can only have 18 or 20 

stager holes only in pairs.PNG

the command need the layout2 option  described in previous post

and when staggered holes is selected it need to see the above as 18 and 20 holes  and not the 9 an 10 it currently see it as 

 

and if u really wont to 100% finish this command   in layout 1 add from bottom , in layout 2 needs left , right , center

 

alickomay
Collaborator

hear is my proposal  for how it should look

bolts on beams ALICK update.png

so layout x allows  center  , left , right

layout y  center  , top  , bottom 

i change start distance to edge distance  , if u select center its edge distance as in both side the same

if u select left, right ,top or bottom its just the edge distance from the selected side

edge distance is only grayed out if number of bolts = 1 + center selected 

staggered distance defalt to intermediate/2 

selecting stagger  will change number of bols  to number of holes not number of pairs  so u can have uneven numbers

 

 

 

alickomay
Collaborator

got sum more flitch beams   (flat bar with staggered holes )

and theys macro are not working because i need non even amount of holes  as described above 

 

to devs if u going to update this  bolt on beam macro

add option to select hole sizes and bolts size an type

thanks

alickomay
Collaborator

dose any one know if AS is able to make uneven staggered hole pattern's yet  (i stopped upgrading at AS2019)

Anonymous
Nicht anwendbar

Hi @alickomay ,

 

I suggested a change for that in the Idea Station:

https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/advance-steel-ideas/custom-connections-odd-even-number-of-bolts-amp-s...

 

You can also explode the screw pattern and delete some screws - but this is the last trick, no user-friendly solution :lƤchelndes_Gesicht_mit_Sonnenbrille:

Garret_H
Collaborator

I'm a new user switching from steel detailing in AutoCAD to Advance Steel, the vast majority of my steel detailing work right now is for residential and commercial construction where steel beams and columns have wood nailer plates and packout beams installed. Every project specifies staggered holes through the steel.

 

 

I'm totally baffled at just how bad the workflow is on this feature. If I try to use the bolts/holes on beam feature I can't seem to change the bolt or hole size within the tool? My requirement is for 1/2" bolts, for this connection but it defaults to 3/4". 

 

Attempts to put holes or bolts through both sides of an HSS for the nailers have so far been pretty fruitless.

 

As mentioned above there isn't any support for odd hole numbers. Oh and also some engineers spec that each end of the wood nailers should have holes both sides, before beginning the staggered hole pattern.

 

This is significantly harder than just drawing them out in 2D! I expect a lot better than that for the license cost!!!!

bigcarl5000kg
Advisor

Hi @Garret_H,

 

in Advance Steel you can use a lot of different tools - it also means a lot of special things (sometimes tricks) related to it. Bolts on beam is one super tool, i use this every day, while it save me a lot of time.

 

Pattern definition (with double click on grey frame you get the pattern settings)

bigcarl5000kg_1-1627023894797.png

 

After selection all the screws, right click on mouse and the settings for screws are visible:

bigcarl5000kg_2-1627023973146.png

 

For your holes / bolt through HSS - you need to set corresponding value in "Grip length increase", to get the bolt longer.  The green circle say you, here is the hole now - here an example for one plate only:

bigcarl5000kg_3-1627024620956.png

 

For more plates it makes the holes automatic on both side on profile:

bigcarl5000kg_4-1627024959904.png

 

Or you can use the function here for it (tab Object):

bigcarl5000kg_6-1627025465768.png

 

 

 

For staggered pattern with odd number of bolts:

- make first a pattern with even number of bolts (it doesn't work otherwise on start)

bigcarl5000kg_5-1627025237059.png

- delete the grey frame (the connection loose the logical functions) - you get now 2 separate bolts pattern (click on bolt)

- you can use next function to destroy the pattern (one only or both) an delete the last screw => this will give you an odd number of screws through Bolts on beam

bigcarl5000kg_7-1627025540762.png

 

I know, it't magic, maybe tricky ... but usefull. You can also put in separate bolt on each point - Rectangular, center point - but this destroy your job.

 

It's highly recommended for you, to get a basic and next training level in Advance Steel from your reseller / training facilities. This solves a lot of problems that on e.g. Youtube & Co. you won't find it.

 

I hope this gives you more appetite for work in Advance Steel ... only training makes the master 

 

 

Garret_H
Collaborator

Thank you @bigcarl5000kg that is all outstanding advice. As an old AutoCAD user I'm comfortable with breaking the rules or doing things manually. So far I'm not yet familiar enough with Advance Steel to do so.

 

I used the tricks for bolts on beam that you suggested and it worked perfectly, without too much work. Which is great, I tried the Graitec powerpack but it's giving me errors half the time.

 

As for training from a reseller, well we'll see. I'd engaged with a few to get advice on the software capabilities as it related to my specific needs and found their knowledge to be pretty lacking, so I just jumped in both feet first on my own and attempted to replicate past projects with Advance Steel to understand my own workflow.  

 

Thanks again! :bierkrüge,_die_anstoßen:

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