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Prototype file - define available drawing area

Prototype file - define available drawing area

Presently the drawing area where the detail views can be placed is defined by a series of elements. These being the page frame, page header , then reserved area blocks.
Sometimes their is a requirement to have the page header element split so it is at top of page as well as at the bottom, if the various prototype elements as placed incorrectly this can lead to the actual available drawing area being blanked out completely and the then actual drawings being created incorrectly.

If there was a way to add a block element that defined the area where the view would be contained within this would be easier to control, so like the page frame defines the max of the sheet, this internal frame could define the area of the actual drawing view.

Finding this more and more difficult to manage as I encounter more complex drawing boarders in the different engineering sectors.
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haedicu
Alumni
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I think you are aware of the possibility to use the ACAD-block ADVANCESTEEL_RESERVED_AREA to prevent details being placed in this area and you are saying that this is not sufficient for your requirement here.

 

Thanks and

best regards

Udo

johnjmbennett
Mentor
Correct, rather that use a combined method of subtracting areas, via the page header , reserved area's from the outer page frame , this can lead to the drawing being total blocked out, if for example the header is required to extend right across the bottom of the drawing to the Left origin , then up to the top right corner, as some companies have headers with these requirements. If you combine to one page header block it will blank out the whole drawing.
In these cases it is easier to define an area the drawing views are contained within. A clear define drawing area.

I am finding boarders more and more complex with needs for all kinds of additional notes and information, attributes and standards required.

This was discussed with the team last year and documented to DB.

JB


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Emanuel.Nestor
Autodesk Support

Hi johnjmbennett,

Hoping I understand correctly your situation, I think this is already available.

Here is how I see it now:

- the "available drawing area" at this moment is the rectangle defined by the HYPERSTEELPAGEFRAME

- this block does not need to be for the entire platting area

- you could create the rectangle for "available drawing area" as small / big as you need. It does not need to overlap or include the page header area or reserved area

- if you place it on a "non-plotting" layer it will not be be plotted

- the rest of the elements - the plotting frame, the page header, texts etc - can be placed as desired, using AutoCAD blocks, elements, without any link to the HYPERSTEELPAGEFRAME dimensions

 

Do you think it might help you get the desired result ?

 

Best regards,
Emy

 

johnjmbennett
Mentor
No , because it is not a block recognised by the system

So what happens when you change the prototype, if the other elements are not all bound with the hypersteelpageframe, do they not get left behind.

Dumitru did a document last year explaining how the defined area worked, using the outer border frame as the overall control frame and reserving areas reduced this and if placed incorrectly the whole area was blanked out.

What I am say it is easier to show s client the defined area they can draw in, with a clearly defined block reference, that the system can then work too, rather than having to subtract loads of other elements to try and work out what is left.

Do you understand the improvement I request.

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Emanuel.Nestor
Autodesk Support

Hi John,

Yes, you would want to have a separate / additional "Available drawing area" to be used for drawing arrangement.

This area should not take into account the block PAGEHEADER - so even if it overlaps the rectangle that contains the page header block, the detail will be correctly placed inside it.

 

I was trying to provide you the solution I've used in my projects, when I encountered the same situation.

 

Best regards,
Emy

johnjmbennett
Mentor
Thanks Emy , I was just trying to get an improvement in the prototype definition in the first instance.

You advice was welcome as always.

Cheers

JB

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