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Modify length of many members at once from member edit window or browser

Modify length of many members at once from member edit window or browser

Possibility to modify the length of many members at once from member edit window or for model browser.

 

11 Kommentare
acbsdesign
Mentor

It will be great-with an option to select end of length increase / decrease.

This would be good, but please have a look behind the process. You want to change the length of a few beams: which side you want to make longer or shorter? This would be not possible in the model browser.
So what we need is an extra tool to modify objects. We have such a tool: Advance Trim. But here we have only the option for to trim a beam to lines, systemlines and so on, so we need an extra option in the Advance Trim command, to give an exact value. And then there should be the option on which side or maybe on both side from the middle of a beam.

FCort
Collaborator
Actually, no matter from which tool we can modify members lengths. The idea is to have the posibility to extend or shorten many members ends without having to drag or stretch from the model, instead we will input a specific value to the "left" or "right" or both ends, also probably the tool should allow modify members that have the same midel role. Just selected beams, columns, brace, etc.

I'm not sure if you know the advance trim command:
tool_trim.jpg

FCort
Collaborator

With advance trim you have to set a border or reference lines, also you can't modify length of many members at once if the members are in different locations.

The tool that I suggest will give the chance to modify lengths of selected members no matter where they are; it will work with select members then input value to the left or to the right or both ends of the members.

I know what you want to do, but I think this is not possible in AS. Every beam have a start and endpoint. So for example, you create 3 beams: the first one you click on a starting point and create the beam by moving your mouse to the right. Then you use the endpoint of the first beam and move your mouse up (so you create a column) and from the end of the column you move your mouse back to startpoint of the first beam.
So you have a triangle, now if you select the beams and want to give them a specific length...what should happend to the beams? If you select: "right side of the beam" which side do you mean, because if you move the model 180° the right side is the left side =).
I don't want to annoy you, but I want to describe, that modify a beam is not as easy as it looks like :grinsendes_Gesicht_mit_großen_Augen:

acbsdesign
Mentor

Sebastian,

 

Are we trying to kill the idea from the beginning explaining how hard it will be to be implemented? 

 

It will be very helpful if we had the option to lengthen multiple angles for example, located at different elevations and along x-y plane, by selecting them (select parts with identical SP/ MP number) and lengthen one or another end.

 

There should be an way to do it.

 

There is always a start and end point when created, these will stay same.

 

Simple.

 

FCort
Collaborator

Sebastian,

 

In addition to that, other point of view is that in North America 99% of the structural projects use the left side piece mark rule. This is a “conventional rule” that has big implications from the way the shop drawings are done, to the fabrication, and to the installation.

The “rule” is: in erection plan drawings the mark should go to the left side of the beam, if there is not space in the paper to put in the left side, we use an orientation indicator (triangle or target symbol) in the left; if the beams are vertical in the plan view, the left side is at the bottom end; in horizontal bracing the left is the end that is closest to the left. For columns the left side is the lower elevation of the two ends. With this info, the shop scribe the marks in the left top flange of a beam and web; and the erector knows which end go to the left.

So, using these considerations, you know exactly which the left side of the member is.

The very specialized steel detailing software use these considerations, and everything (modeling, tools, and drawings, etc.) is related to the left and right side of the member.

 

This tool also will be very helpful to modify lengths of many loose lintels or any loose members at once.

@acbsdesign
I'm not killing the idea, I only want to help Fcort to get a result now. I didn't say the idea is not good. And yes every part have a start and endpoint, but where these are located is equal for numbering, so by selecting two parts and give 100mm to the startpoint will not automatically extend them to same side.
@FCort
I really didn't want to make idea sounds like a bad idea. But not everywhere is the orientation like in North America :leicht_lächelndes_Gesicht:
I think this is not the place to discuss this. I hope you will get a few Kudo, so maybe the development do it.
Have a nice weekend
Sebastian
acbsdesign
Mentor

You too have a good one. 

 

Otherwise FCort's idea is great.

 

How many times we have to modify multiple members at once, not being on one plane / line.

 

P.S. Orientation in NA is hard to describe nowadays...

haedicu
Alumni
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