Tube Brace Connection - No Sandwich Plate

[chad.corkern]

See attached screenshot. I don't want to use the sandwich plate, I just want the tab plate to bolt directly to the gusset plate. How do I make the connection designer in Advance Steel do that?

Thanks

[johnjmbennett · Accepted solution]

hi,

Try the Sandwich plate with additional object connection on the connections vault tab for tube bracing.

with this you can set the joint to not have the tab plate and the sandwich plate becomes the tab plate.

the set up on the joint, required that you set the following:

under the General Tab> Tab plate - Un-check the Create Plate box.

under the General Tab> Sandwich plates,  select the check box for "No bolts",  Then the Number of plates set to "front or rear",  Then you can "Center sandwich plate"

you need to adjust the settings for the bolt edges to project the plate from the tube, turn on the cover plate.

I used this with a moment end plate , so you select the horizontal beam first, then the end plate, then the brace.

sample attached

Cheers

[chad.corkern]

I've almost got it, I want to make the insert plate wider than the HSS member being attached. It wont seem to let me do that?

[johnjmbennett]

you need to goto the Tab " bolts in Gusset" and change item 6, this is edge distance to the tab plate

[chad.corkern]

Thanks! I figured that out as I was experimenting with it. Last question. I want to bolt the brace gusset plate to the column with a clip angle. I see that I can do that. If I wanted to add triangular stiffeners to the angle clip between the bolts to prevent prying action, how would I do that?

[johnjmbennett]

for this there is no direct option inside this bracing macro.

But there is a macro for placing stiffeners, use this to create the triangular stiffener in the angles.

use stiffener macro and set the Chambers to snap the corner of the stiffener. , if you need a reference use the two holes as snap points, then use the Snap " Mid between two points, then use the pattern.

you could try turning his into a custom connection, with both these joints embed in it, if you are going to use this on a regular basis.

[chad.corkern]

One last, last question. What is the Butt Strap plate in this Connection? Also, in the attached Connection Check PDF, The Sandwich plate, that I am using at the Tab Plate, is showing a failure in Tensile Rupture. It's failing because its not using Fu and its not seeing the Ant, Anv for some reason. Do you have any input on how to resolve this issue? I am trying to use Advance Steel for connection report soon. I am also trying to convert my company to using it for shop drawings. I appreciate the help!

[johnjmbennett · Accepted solution]

sorry, not sure which element you refer to as the butt strap. Also is using for actual connection design, you should use advance steel in combination with solutions, like Idea Statica, https://www.autodesk.com/autodesk-university/class/Steel-Connection-Design-Extend-Your-Advance-Steel... the design tool in AS is really only a validation tool, a dedicated analysis solution for connection design should be used in conjunction with AS with a valid engineer driving this interface and approving the results. The Static solution allows you to select elements from an AS model and import them and run the code check to a bespoke situation, non standard. I would not rely totally on the AS solution for all your connection design, because some joints do not have the code check options. you need both solutions to collaborate the design to detail process.