Connecting to a plate

Connecting to a plate

iwafb
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Connecting to a plate

iwafb
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Hi all,

 

Just looking for ideas for creating joints between a beam and a plate. At the moment, the joints seem to be restricted to beams? What about say when a beam needs to be connected to a cast in plate?

 

Thanks in advance...

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iwafb
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Hi All,

 

Just following up on this topic.

 

Is this type of connection only possible as a manual connection? Beam connects to cast in plate in wall (sometimes by others), so I want to add a shear plate to the end of the beam, which either connects to a plate (cast in if provided by us) or a wall (essentially nothing, shear plate is provided loose).

 

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Thanks in advance...

 

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Jonathan.Jasinski
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There is actually a built in connection for just such an application. It will put either shear tab or angle at the end of the beam for an embedded plate. It is found in the connections vault under Miscellaneous titled Embed Plate-ClipAngle.
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iwafb
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Hi Jonathan,

 

Sorry for the late reply. I had missed this...

 

Thanks very much for your help!

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iwafb
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Having a further look at this now. Not sure if I'm doing something wrong, but I can't find any options other than clip angle. All I want is a shear plate at the end of the beam, with no ebmedded plate. Is this possible?

 

Thanks in advance...

 

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This may not be 100% of what you need, but would "Plate along beam web" under "Custom Connections" (on the Advance Steel Tool Palette) be a good start?

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Shaiki_
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Reviving this thread...I have the same question. Is the feature to use a shear tab instead of a clip angle available? I have the clip angle all figured out except I don't need the clip angle, I just need a tab 😞

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johnjmbennett
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hi, 

 

within the connections mentioned there is not option for a shear/fin tab to and embedded plate.   

 

What previous comments hear was trying to say is that you would need to create it and then possible store it as a Custom connection,  so it can be reused in a different models.

 

Within As there are tools on the custom connection palette to allow this,  also these can be combined with existing joints and other As Features such as shorted/ cut at object ,   bolt/Anchors/Studs placement tools, welds to create as close as possible. 

 

i saw your other post and example of the joint,  i try to mock up an example to give idea hear on a possible solution to your issue:

 

it uses  an End plate connection, with the shorten feature and studs turned on,  the weld is set to 'None',   the web plate/ tab is using  'plate on beam web' from the custom connection palette tab.   also i did try the bolt on plate as a way to place the bolts,  this again is like a mini macro,  

 

The plate on web i had to change it so it projected past the beam end,  then i used from the features tab 'Cut at object' to trim the fin/web plate to the end plate. 

 

The end plate,  you can change the angle of the plate, but you need to know the incline of the beam.      

 

To achieve a gap i use the shorten feature on the beam, again a value and a angle entry. 

 

i think you will have to watch the beam length, as a double shorten on the beam end due to end plate and beam shorten. 

 

There are plenty of posts/blogs over creating custom connections.out there. 

 

hope this gives you an idea on how to create something that may help out.

 

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Shaiki_
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Thanks for the in depth explanation and the example connection. I can't seem to be able to insert it though, it gives me an error "Advance cannot read this DWG-format (Astor 7.19) and will be closed."

 

Do you know what that is about?

 

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johnjmbennett
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Sorry , I was working in. AS2021, when I created the template.

 

which version of AS? For yourself 

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Shaiki_
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Im in AS2020. Thanks

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johnjmbennett
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Try this as a starter for 10 , file attached.

 

Screencast:   https://autode.sk/2X9piQW    

 

 

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acbsdesign
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Hi @iwafb 

Very often (for other joints) we place a flat bar inside the plate with model role that has presentation turned off in dwg styles, with system line at plate’s edge toward the beam so if we change the thickness it will grow the opposite direction.

Sometimes we create W- shape with plate girder properties to be used for bridges, real web size with flanges 1/254” thick. 

 

Cheers.

 

If this information was helpful, please use the Accept as Solution function, this makes it easier for other users.

Regards,
Ilko Dimitrov, IDC-1, M. Eng.
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iwafb
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Thanks @acbsdesign , I had forgotten about this post...!

 

For the sake of closure, the suggested solutions all have an application. Following Ilko's suggestion, we have adopted a similar method. That is, we model a "dummy" piece of beam (I beam, channel...) and give it a "not visible" role, as well as turning off all the used for BOM and numbering options for single part and assembly. This gives us the option to "connect" to this beam. As a tip, use either "none" type welds or site welds so that the connecting part is independent...

 

I like this system because it opens up the range of connection types that can be used.