Bug in Saw list with pictures

[j.hamelin]

Hi!

As the title say, I'm facing a new "interesting" bug with the saw list w/picture on 2022 version.. Suddently some pics don't represent the right angle on the right side. How come my model is not rightfuly represented on my saw list. Don't really know where to look at. Never experienced that kind of issue before and I use this list all the time.

i.e.: Drawings attached :

-b1007 wrong

-b1030 wrong

-b1003 wrong

-b1031 right! (attached)

-b1008 wrong (attached)

Maybe something with the model? Can't figure it out and unfortunatly I didn't found any post (with solution) relating this kind of issue.

EDIT: Only a thread from 2020 without any solution.

Link : https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/advance-steel-forum/bug-report-saw-list-with-pictures/m-p/9228332/thr...

[Sebastian_Eiche]

Maybe I'm wrong, but do you see the orientatin of the angleprofile (long and short side)? from my first view, I would say it's correct. But I'm having a look with my mobile, I culd have a look later on in my office

[j.hamelin]

3 other drawings to make things clearer. In fact, each of them is displayed on the wrong side.

By the way, these drawings went into production and all these parts were cut the wrong way round. 

Hope you can figure something to help me thru this

[orasquier · Accepted solution]

Hello, I reported this problem 1 years ago, I have a beginning of a solution but the length of the cuts are wrong even with a simple cut...
I'm waiting for the return for the simple cut.

For the double cut it is necessary to modify the direction of the images ( X - Y)

[orasquier]

FYI, the answer on the 2023 version... still the same problem in 2024... 😂🤣

I received a response from Autodesk for the issue. It will be fixed in a future release and here is a workaround:

"This issue is caused by a legacy limitation of some algorithms in AS.
As a workaround, the user can swap the values of the WebFileName and FlangeFileName columns for the two marked rows in the attached image (SwapValues.png).

These values can be changed using dmanagement tools, under Edit Tables -> Load AS Tables -> AstorBitmaps -> SawCutBitmaps.

[Sebastian_Eiche]

do you send this directly to Autodesk? 
Which version? I came across to such a problem in the past for the wrong pics but I thought it was repaired.
The wrong length is new to me could you upload a model for such an example?

[orasquier]

the value between length b and c are reversed (only for L)

[Sebastian_Eiche]

We could create a workaround for you.

maybe somethinkg like: If the profile in the list has a "L" in the userattribut 1 use "c" instead of "b" 
But it will be important to find these profiles with a property

[j.hamelin]

Ok. If I understand correctly, issue is from the double cut on same side? Meaning AS get lost there? So it is why some parts are correct and others are incorrectly represented on the list?

@Sebastian_Eiche 

Seem to be a good way to go, but I've never ever created a macro on AS.

@orasquier 

Inverting bitmap is a way, but imo it can be tricky to manage in some case AND you have to revert every single change after each job...

Also, i'm sharing you the model if it can help

FYI actually, for this job, I have made a fool of myself and tell workers to cut parts mirror of what it shown... they laughed hard 🙄

[orasquier]

No, once the modification is made, it should not be changed. The values are correct and the drawings too, you can do the test. this is a solution from Graitec support. On the other hand there remains a bug to be treated, and the support is aware (it transmits to autodesk) it is the values of the dimensions c and b which are reversed on the debit lists with image.

[orasquier]

Normally that's right 😉

[Sebastian_Eiche · Accepted solution]

So additional, if the b and c values should be changed only for specific objects...I use "Userattribute 1" and in my script in the field, I have a look if this value is "L". If yes, the value for "c" is changed to "IBf" otherwise it will use "ICf"
IBf --> is value "b" in the databases
ICf ist value "c" in the databses

Needed String for "c" Flange :  =((string) IUserAttr1="L")?(IBf):(ICf)

Needed String for "b" Flange : =((string) IUserAttr1="L")?(ICf):(IBf)

Needed String for "c" web :  =((string) IUserAttr1="L")?(IBw):(ICw)

Needed String for "b" web : =((string) IUserAttr1="L")?(ICw):(IBw)

Should be inserted in the dataField:

Result for an example with 3 beams (only for the flange)

• w - profile : HEA --No value in Userattribute 1 --> original value is the same as with script
• L - profile : L 40x40x1,5 -- Userattribute 1 = "no L" --> original value is the same as with script
• L - profile : L 70x70x5 -- Userattribute 1 = "L" --> original value is changed
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[j.hamelin]

A bit confusing for me at first but seems to work pretty well now. Thank you guys for your help!

Jonathan

[sales7NF7D]

I feel as though we have just experienced some thing very similar.  With these errors costing companies $$$ with incorrect cut material, surely the software vendor needs to address the issue and resolve.