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*Morse, Steven
Message 1 of 6 (138 Views)

Autodesk new Network policy

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04-03-2002 02:12 AM
Any discussion on this????
http://www.tenlinks.com/NEWS/PR/AUTODESK/040202_nw.htm

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Steve
*Nienberg, Mark
Message 2 of 6 (138 Views)

Re: Autodesk new Network policy

04-04-2002 07:15 AM in reply to: *Morse, Steven
If I understand it correctly, large firms with multiple locations can
benefit by putting all their licenses in the same pool, perhaps reducing the
number of licenses they own. Firms with locations in different time zones
will benefit the most. Of course, small businesses without multiple
locations will not get any benefit but will pay more for the licenses
anyway. Is that it?
Mark Nienberg

"Steven Morse" wrote in message
news:975207E02CDA4F8AAEB4713807BBEF2C@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Any discussion on this????
> http://www.tenlinks.com/NEWS/PR/AUTODESK/040202_nw.htm
>
> --
> Steve
>
>
*Nehls, Kevin
Message 3 of 6 (138 Views)

Re:

04-04-2002 07:52 AM in reply to: *Morse, Steven
Actually small firms can still benifit even if they are not in multiple
timezones.

For instance, you have just 20 users, but only need 15 lics. We'll use the
price of $3000/seat.

If you got standalone lics (before or after this goes into effect), you'd
have to pay $60,000 (plus tax) for all your acad lics.

If you got network lics before this goes into effect, and you only purchased
15 lics to float around, that's $45,000. You just saved $15,000.

If you got network lics after this goes into effect, and you still only
purchase 15 lics to float around, that's $45,000 + (15 * (3000 * 0.15)) =
$51,750. So you've still saved $8250. But, now you've also had to pay an
extra 15% just for the network lics. Of course there is a break away point
where it would be cheaper to purchase all standalone seats instead of
network based seats.

Just to set the record straight. I'm not trying to justify what might
Autodesk do, info came from Tenlinks so I question it's validity. I'm just
trying to show that even small firms can benifit from using network based
lics instead of standalone lics.

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Kevin the Rogue


"Mark Nienberg" wrote in message
news:B52A679111037D22203D08F18986784F@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> If I understand it correctly, large firms with multiple locations can
> benefit by putting all their licenses in the same pool, perhaps reducing
the
> number of licenses they own. Firms with locations in different time zones
> will benefit the most. Of course, small businesses without multiple
> locations will not get any benefit but will pay more for the licenses
> anyway. Is that it?
> Mark Nienberg
*acct, Newsgroups
Message 4 of 6 (138 Views)

Re:

04-07-2002 04:16 AM in reply to: *Morse, Steven
Yes, when I said small firms will not get any benefit I meant compared to
the benefit they get from the current network license. We already use
network licensing instead of standalone licenses in order to reduce the
number of licenses we must own, just as in your example. But if the new
policy is for real, our costs will go up without any increase in benefit.
Mark Nienberg

in article 90715C26904369A65AD65FBB0365A545@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb, Kevin Nehls
at kevinn at safeworks dot com wrote on 4/4/2002 4:52 PM:

> Actually small firms can still benifit even if they are not in multiple
> timezones.
>
> For instance, you have just 20 users, but only need 15 lics. We'll use the
> price of $3000/seat.
>
> If you got standalone lics (before or after this goes into effect), you'd
> have to pay $60,000 (plus tax) for all your acad lics.
>
> If you got network lics before this goes into effect, and you only purchased
> 15 lics to float around, that's $45,000. You just saved $15,000.
>
> If you got network lics after this goes into effect, and you still only
> purchase 15 lics to float around, that's $45,000 + (15 * (3000 * 0.15)) =
> $51,750. So you've still saved $8250. But, now you've also had to pay an
> extra 15% just for the network lics. Of course there is a break away point
> where it would be cheaper to purchase all standalone seats instead of
> network based seats.
>
> Just to set the record straight. I'm not trying to justify what might
> Autodesk do, info came from Tenlinks so I question it's validity. I'm just
> trying to show that even small firms can benifit from using network based
> lics instead of standalone lics.
>
> --
> Kevin the Rogue
>
>
> "Mark Nienberg" wrote in message
> news:B52A679111037D22203D08F18986784F@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
>> If I understand it correctly, large firms with multiple locations can
>> benefit by putting all their licenses in the same pool, perhaps reducing
> the
>> number of licenses they own. Firms with locations in different time zones
>> will benefit the most. Of course, small businesses without multiple
>> locations will not get any benefit but will pay more for the licenses
>> anyway. Is that it?
>> Mark Nienberg
>
>
*Nehls, Kevin
Message 5 of 6 (138 Views)

Re:

04-10-2002 12:31 AM in reply to: *Morse, Steven
Oh, I understand that. If this is going to happen, it will hurt us.

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Kevin Nehls


"Newsgroups acct" wrote in message
news:B8D5E920.E00%imark.REMOVE@sbcglobal.net...
> Yes, when I said small firms will not get any benefit I meant compared to
> the benefit they get from the current network license. We already use
> network licensing instead of standalone licenses in order to reduce the
> number of licenses we must own, just as in your example. But if the new
> policy is for real, our costs will go up without any increase in benefit.
> Mark Nienberg
*Prettyman, Charles
Message 6 of 6 (138 Views)

Re:

04-15-2002 04:26 AM in reply to: *Morse, Steven
We're in the exact same boat you are, and if we need to buy more licenses,
it will hut us slightly (15%). But gas prices go up too, and my car never
seems to go any further when I pay more for the gas, so I guess we'll all
just have to suck it up.

I can actually see Autodesk's point, but I disagree with them. The way I
see it is that they should at least try to find a happy medium that offsets
their lost revenue, while still offering me a benefit. At a 15% surcarge,
the network license needs to allow me to save one license for every 6 users
(ie, there's a negligible cost difference between buying 7 licenses, or
buying 6 network licenses). Unfortunately, that is not the case. We're in
an odd position at the moment, since we have shrunk, and actually have 8
license for seven drafters. But I think that this is short term. Based on
data from our busiest period, I think we license management doesn't really
allow us to omit a license until our tenth or 11th drafter. In that case, a
7 or 8% surcharge is closer to a break even point for us.

A better idea, I think, is that Autodesk could use ADLM and FlexLM to
encourage license compliance for small firms. From anectdotal comments, it
seems to me that firms that need four or five licenses are very prone to
having an extra copy or two. Autodesk and the BSA have some pretty good
sticks that they use to go after firms that do this. And really, no one
should need a reward for obeying the law. But, it would b a nice thing if
Autodesk worked to make it a little easier for small and medium size firms
to be able to afford 100% license compliance. Microsoft, for comparison,
actually offers price breaks beginnig at 5 licenses (not big price breaks,
but every little bit helps).

Why not offer a small discount for the networked version, as a means of
encouraging compliance (the carrot that goes along with the litigation
stick) Give a 5% or 10% discount to firms that adopt FlexLM? Has anyone
ever done the study to see if that sort of token discount would cause people
to buy the licenses they need, rather than illegally copy the software?

"Newsgroups acct" wrote in message
news:B8D5E920.E00%imark.REMOVE@sbcglobal.net...
> Yes, when I said small firms will not get any benefit I meant compared to
> the benefit they get from the current network license. We already use
> network licensing instead of standalone licenses in order to reduce the
> number of licenses we must own, just as in your example. But if the new
> policy is for real, our costs will go up without any increase in benefit.
> Mark Nienberg
>
> in article 90715C26904369A65AD65FBB0365A545@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb, Kevin
Nehls
> at kevinn at safeworks dot com wrote on 4/4/2002 4:52 PM:
>
> > Actually small firms can still benifit even if they are not in multiple
> > timezones.
> >
> > For instance, you have just 20 users, but only need 15 lics. We'll use
the
> > price of $3000/seat.
> >
> > If you got standalone lics (before or after this goes into effect),
you'd
> > have to pay $60,000 (plus tax) for all your acad lics.
> >
> > If you got network lics before this goes into effect, and you only
purchased
> > 15 lics to float around, that's $45,000. You just saved $15,000.
> >
> > If you got network lics after this goes into effect, and you still only
> > purchase 15 lics to float around, that's $45,000 + (15 * (3000 * 0.15))
=
> > $51,750. So you've still saved $8250. But, now you've also had to pay
an
> > extra 15% just for the network lics. Of course there is a break away
point
> > where it would be cheaper to purchase all standalone seats instead of
> > network based seats.
> >
> > Just to set the record straight. I'm not trying to justify what might
> > Autodesk do, info came from Tenlinks so I question it's validity. I'm
just
> > trying to show that even small firms can benifit from using network
based
> > lics instead of standalone lics.
> >
> > --
> > Kevin the Rogue
> >
> >
> > "Mark Nienberg" wrote in message
> > news:B52A679111037D22203D08F18986784F@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> >> If I understand it correctly, large firms with multiple locations can
> >> benefit by putting all their licenses in the same pool, perhaps
reducing
> > the
> >> number of licenses they own. Firms with locations in different time
zones
> >> will benefit the most. Of course, small businesses without multiple
> >> locations will not get any benefit but will pay more for the licenses
> >> anyway. Is that it?
> >> Mark Nienberg
> >
> >
>

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