Win 2000

[Anonymous]

I would like to know if there is anybody out there who will make the claim
that AutoCAD NEVER CRASHES in Win 2000?

If it occasionally crashes for any reason then this claim cannot be made.

Any takers?

Mike Johnson

[Anonymous]

You can not make a blanket claim like that for any piece of software. ALL
software crashes at some point. That does not relieve Autodesk from their
obligation to try their best to provide bug-free software. As for the
operating system issue. I have been running both NT 4 and Win 2K with ADT
for a while and have had very few troubles. ADT has not crashed in Win2k,
but I won't say that it never will. I think that the difficulty in setting
up and maintaining NT & Win2k is often overstated. The added security
notwithstanding, NT & Win2k are by far more robust OS. Even when ADT
crashes, it will not bring down the whole machine. They are by miles
superior to Win 9x. I also think that you will find many people who would
recommend against upgrading from Win98 to ME. I really think you should
consider using Win2K on a test machine for a while. My boss was cranky
about this for a while too and his Sony laptop was crashing regularly. With
Win2k, his machine has not crashed once in the two months that it has been
installed. Sorry for the long rant.
"Mike Johnson" wrote in message
news:312746D359BD7DDD864CC86BBF8F66FD@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> I would like to know if there is anybody out there who will make the claim
> that AutoCAD NEVER CRASHES in Win 2000?
>
> If it occasionally crashes for any reason then this claim cannot be made.
>
> Any takers?
>
> Mike Johnson
>

[Anonymous]

Bob: I appreciate your response and don't care how long it is. I love free
speech. I agree on Win Me upgrades, loaded it at home and went back to Win
98 2 weeks later after many problems, but it works fine on my new computer
at work.

I too have a Sony Vaio running Win 98 and no problems yet but I have no
intention of trying to upgrade it to Win Me.

Sounds like you are having very good luck with Win 2000 and AutoCAD and
that's what I want to know about. I hope to hear from a few others on this
issue before I bring it up with the boss.

Thanks again,
Mike Johnson

"Bob Thrapp" wrote in message
news:CDD35216F3FAC48B0007D606E99BB745@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> You can not make a blanket claim like that for any piece of software. ALL
> software crashes at some point. That does not relieve Autodesk from their
> obligation to try their best to provide bug-free software. As for the
> operating system issue. I have been running both NT 4 and Win 2K with ADT
> for a while and have had very few troubles. ADT has not crashed in Win2k,
> but I won't say that it never will. I think that the difficulty in
setting
> up and maintaining NT & Win2k is often overstated. The added security
> notwithstanding, NT & Win2k are by far more robust OS. Even when ADT
> crashes, it will not bring down the whole machine. They are by miles
> superior to Win 9x. I also think that you will find many people who would
> recommend against upgrading from Win98 to ME. I really think you should
> consider using Win2K on a test machine for a while. My boss was cranky
> about this for a while too and his Sony laptop was crashing regularly.
With
> Win2k, his machine has not crashed once in the two months that it has been
> installed. Sorry for the long rant.
> "Mike Johnson" wrote in message
> news:312746D359BD7DDD864CC86BBF8F66FD@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > I would like to know if there is anybody out there who will make the
claim
> > that AutoCAD NEVER CRASHES in Win 2000?
> >
> > If it occasionally crashes for any reason then this claim cannot be
made.
> >
> > Any takers?
> >
> > Mike Johnson
> >
>

[Anonymous]

Just one man's opinion...
I tried to upgrade my machine from NT4 to W2000 and had a WEEKEND IN HELL...with
MS on the phone for 27 hours satraight (thru the night and day!!) Ended up
reformatting my HD and reinstalling NT4 and all applications....
Now my opinion......NEVER, NEVER upgrade an operating system...if you want the
new OS buy a new machine with it installed....

Mike Johnson wrote:

> Bob: I appreciate your response and don't care how long it is. I love free
> speech. I agree on Win Me upgrades, loaded it at home and went back to Win
> 98 2 weeks later after many problems, but it works fine on my new computer
> at work.
>
> I too have a Sony Vaio running Win 98 and no problems yet but I have no
> intention of trying to upgrade it to Win Me.
>
> Sounds like you are having very good luck with Win 2000 and AutoCAD and
> that's what I want to know about. I hope to hear from a few others on this
> issue before I bring it up with the boss.
>
> Thanks again,
> Mike Johnson
>
> "Bob Thrapp" wrote in message
> news:CDD35216F3FAC48B0007D606E99BB745@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > You can not make a blanket claim like that for any piece of software. ALL
> > software crashes at some point. That does not relieve Autodesk from their
> > obligation to try their best to provide bug-free software. As for the
> > operating system issue. I have been running both NT 4 and Win 2K with ADT
> > for a while and have had very few troubles. ADT has not crashed in Win2k,
> > but I won't say that it never will. I think that the difficulty in
> setting
> > up and maintaining NT & Win2k is often overstated. The added security
> > notwithstanding, NT & Win2k are by far more robust OS. Even when ADT
> > crashes, it will not bring down the whole machine. They are by miles
> > superior to Win 9x. I also think that you will find many people who would
> > recommend against upgrading from Win98 to ME. I really think you should
> > consider using Win2K on a test machine for a while. My boss was cranky
> > about this for a while too and his Sony laptop was crashing regularly.
> With
> > Win2k, his machine has not crashed once in the two months that it has been
> > installed. Sorry for the long rant.
> > "Mike Johnson" wrote in message
> > news:312746D359BD7DDD864CC86BBF8F66FD@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > I would like to know if there is anybody out there who will make the
> claim
> > > that AutoCAD NEVER CRASHES in Win 2000?
> > >
> > > If it occasionally crashes for any reason then this claim cannot be
> made.
> > >
> > > Any takers?
> > >
> > > Mike Johnson
> > >
> >

[Anonymous]

I hope I don'r have to buy a machine every time I switch OS's!

I think reformatting before switching is prudent. That certainly cleans out
the old stuff.

Dennis McNeal
Architectural Resources

Richard A. Haas wrote in message <3AAFBE95.A84B6D91@HaasPE.com>...
>Just one man's opinion...
>I tried to upgrade my machine from NT4 to W2000 and had a WEEKEND IN
HELL...with
>MS on the phone for 27 hours satraight (thru the night and day!!) Ended up
>reformatting my HD and reinstalling NT4 and all applications....
>Now my opinion......NEVER, NEVER upgrade an operating system...if you want
the
>new OS buy a new machine with it installed....
>
>Mike Johnson wrote:
>
>> Bob: I appreciate your response and don't care how long it is. I love
free
>> speech. I agree on Win Me upgrades, loaded it at home and went back to
Win
>> 98 2 weeks later after many problems, but it works fine on my new
computer
>> at work.
>>
>> I too have a Sony Vaio running Win 98 and no problems yet but I have no
>> intention of trying to upgrade it to Win Me.
>>
>> Sounds like you are having very good luck with Win 2000 and AutoCAD and
>> that's what I want to know about. I hope to hear from a few others on
this
>> issue before I bring it up with the boss.
>>
>> Thanks again,
>> Mike Johnson
>>
>> "Bob Thrapp" wrote in message
>> news:CDD35216F3FAC48B0007D606E99BB745@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
>> > You can not make a blanket claim like that for any piece of software.
ALL
>> > software crashes at some point. That does not relieve Autodesk from
their
>> > obligation to try their best to provide bug-free software. As for the
>> > operating system issue. I have been running both NT 4 and Win 2K with
ADT
>> > for a while and have had very few troubles. ADT has not crashed in
Win2k,
>> > but I won't say that it never will. I think that the difficulty in
>> setting
>> > up and maintaining NT & Win2k is often overstated. The added security
>> > notwithstanding, NT & Win2k are by far more robust OS. Even when ADT
>> > crashes, it will not bring down the whole machine. They are by miles
>> > superior to Win 9x. I also think that you will find many people who
would
>> > recommend against upgrading from Win98 to ME. I really think you
should
>> > consider using Win2K on a test machine for a while. My boss was cranky
>> > about this for a while too and his Sony laptop was crashing regularly.
>> With
>> > Win2k, his machine has not crashed once in the two months that it has
been
>> > installed. Sorry for the long rant.
>> > "Mike Johnson" wrote in message
>> > news:312746D359BD7DDD864CC86BBF8F66FD@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
>> > > I would like to know if there is anybody out there who will make the
>> claim
>> > > that AutoCAD NEVER CRASHES in Win 2000?
>> > >
>> > > If it occasionally crashes for any reason then this claim cannot be
>> made.
>> > >
>> > > Any takers?
>> > >
>> > > Mike Johnson
>> > >
>> >
>

[Anonymous]

I definitely wouldn't do the upgrade option. I would do a clean install.
Sony, however had really great instructions on upgrading the Vaio laptops
and that worked perfectly.

"Richard A. Haas" wrote in message
news:3AAFBE95.A84B6D91@HaasPE.com...
> Just one man's opinion...
> I tried to upgrade my machine from NT4 to W2000 and had a WEEKEND IN
HELL...with
> MS on the phone for 27 hours satraight (thru the night and day!!) Ended up
> reformatting my HD and reinstalling NT4 and all applications....
> Now my opinion......NEVER, NEVER upgrade an operating system...if you want
the
> new OS buy a new machine with it installed....
>
> Mike Johnson wrote:
>
> > Bob: I appreciate your response and don't care how long it is. I love
free
> > speech. I agree on Win Me upgrades, loaded it at home and went back to
Win
> > 98 2 weeks later after many problems, but it works fine on my new
computer
> > at work.
> >
> > I too have a Sony Vaio running Win 98 and no problems yet but I have no
> > intention of trying to upgrade it to Win Me.
> >
> > Sounds like you are having very good luck with Win 2000 and AutoCAD and
> > that's what I want to know about. I hope to hear from a few others on
this
> > issue before I bring it up with the boss.
> >
> > Thanks again,
> > Mike Johnson
> >
> > "Bob Thrapp" wrote in message
> > news:CDD35216F3FAC48B0007D606E99BB745@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > You can not make a blanket claim like that for any piece of software.
ALL
> > > software crashes at some point. That does not relieve Autodesk from
their
> > > obligation to try their best to provide bug-free software. As for the
> > > operating system issue. I have been running both NT 4 and Win 2K with
ADT
> > > for a while and have had very few troubles. ADT has not crashed in
Win2k,
> > > but I won't say that it never will. I think that the difficulty in
> > setting
> > > up and maintaining NT & Win2k is often overstated. The added security
> > > notwithstanding, NT & Win2k are by far more robust OS. Even when ADT
> > > crashes, it will not bring down the whole machine. They are by miles
> > > superior to Win 9x. I also think that you will find many people who
would
> > > recommend against upgrading from Win98 to ME. I really think you
should
> > > consider using Win2K on a test machine for a while. My boss was
cranky
> > > about this for a while too and his Sony laptop was crashing regularly.
> > With
> > > Win2k, his machine has not crashed once in the two months that it has
been
> > > installed. Sorry for the long rant.
> > > "Mike Johnson" wrote in message
> > > news:312746D359BD7DDD864CC86BBF8F66FD@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > > I would like to know if there is anybody out there who will make the
> > claim
> > > > that AutoCAD NEVER CRASHES in Win 2000?
> > > >
> > > > If it occasionally crashes for any reason then this claim cannot be
> > made.
> > > >
> > > > Any takers?
> > > >
> > > > Mike Johnson
> > > >
> > >
>

[Anonymous]

Mike,

AutoCAD will never crash in Windows 2000.

And I also have some oceanfront property in Kansas that I'd like to sell you
if you're interested.

It's ludicrous to expect software to never crash in ANY operating system.
However there are certain OS's that tend to be much more unstable than
others. It's a mater of relativity, not absolutes.

Win98 is more unstable than NT. Does that mean that NT never crashes? Nope.

I can tell you, however, that I have had fewer crashes and system errors on
Windows 2000 by an order of magnitude. In fact, they are rare. But they DO
still happen on occasion.

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The D.C. CADD Company, Inc.
http://www.dccadd.com
Mike Johnson wrote in message
<312746D359BD7DDD864CC86BBF8F66FD@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb>...
>I would like to know if there is anybody out there who will make the claim
>that AutoCAD NEVER CRASHES in Win 2000?
>
>If it occasionally crashes for any reason then this claim cannot be made.
>
>Any takers?
>
>Mike Johnson
>

[Anonymous]

Matt: Thanks for the post. I simply don't agree that it is ludicrous to
expect software to be bug proof and crash proof. I prefer to believe that
there is no mystery to programming but programmers cannot be forced to use
structured programming and maintain control of the systems they create.
ADT3 is definitely a runaway train and I don't think anybody can claim to be
in control of it. I have earned my living as a programmer and I have
produced bug free software that never crashed, all by myself. Bug free
software is achievable but first you have to want to produce it. I use many
programs that simply never crash, they are just not as complicated as
AutoCAD.

I realise that there is no bug free software on the microcomputer market
today (including operating systems) but have even used versions of AutoCAD
that were much more reliable than the Architectural Desktop series.

I'm afraid that as long as software firms like AutoDesk believe it is
impossible to write bug free software we will not have good software. As I
said you have to want to produce good product, it doesn't just happen. I am
sure that if it were a goal of AutoDesk to debug AutoCAD it would happen,
but marketing new technologies is much more important than giving customers
what they really need.

All the new 3D stuff is fun and groovy and all that, but architects get paid
for producing 2D construction plans, and all the 3D goodies in the world
won't help that happen. As in the post I made yesterday titled food for
thought (which was moved by a diligent administrator as if we CAD guys don't
care about computer science) the IT industry is busy selling technological
novelties instead of tools that work the way humans work and in fact help
get the work done. We are all trying to learn the new technology and it is
indeed fun to move walls and windows so effortlessly but it would be great
if it didn't crash.

As to the new 3D stuff, the most useful thing I see is the generation of
sections and elevations. This works much better in ADT3 but is still a long
way from producing an elevation that can be used without major editing. I
get lots of spurious lines and a few erronious ones that must be erased
before plotting. The roof commands work better but it is still difficult to
produce anything but the simplest roofs and I could draw a 2D roofing system
in one tenth the time it takes to get the 3D one right. Again all the client
and building inspectors will ever see are the 2D drawings.

Furthermore there is software running on mainframe computers in America that
haven't been rebooted in 10 years or more. It is possible, AutoDesk just
doesn't give a (EDITED). Long as we keep buying it like it is they have no
incentive to actually improve it. Just add new goodies they can make a lot
of marketing noise about. For the umpteenth time, I would like to see a new
version with absolutely no new features or commands, just fix the stuff that
is already part of it.

Apparently, what is ludicrous is to expect the slackers of the 21st century
to strive for perfection.

Thanks again for the post. Pardon my insistence on complaining, but for the
amount of money we have invested in AutoCAD over the years I think I have
the right to gripe. For 2 or $300 I wouldn't expect so much, but this is a
$4000 product and it should work like a $4000 product. It is definitely the
most expensive piece of software I have used since leaving the world of
mainframes and you get plenty of bugs for your dollar.

I guess my real question is: Is Win 2000 so much better than Win 9x that it
is worth all the permission and administrater hassles. Remeber this is a
small office without a system's administrator or any full time computer
heads.

Thanks again for your post, I love a lively discussion, especially when
somebody has the courage to disagree with me. Telling me it's ludicrous to
expect bug free software is unacceptable, it is AutoDesk's CHOSEN task to do
just that.

Mike Johnson

"Matt Dillon" wrote in message
news:A5E9CFB78D642E2780CBB0158D0CDEF6@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Mike,
>
> AutoCAD will never crash in Windows 2000.
>
> And I also have some oceanfront property in Kansas that I'd like to sell
you
> if you're interested.
>
> It's ludicrous to expect software to never crash in ANY operating system.
> However there are certain OS's that tend to be much more unstable than
> others. It's a mater of relativity, not absolutes.
>
> Win98 is more unstable than NT. Does that mean that NT never crashes?
Nope.
>
> I can tell you, however, that I have had fewer crashes and system errors
on
> Windows 2000 by an order of magnitude. In fact, they are rare. But they DO
> still happen on occasion.
>
> --
> ***************************************************************
> Please do not email me privately with technical issues
> ***************************************************************
> Matt Dillon
> Assistant Moderator - Autodesk Discussion Forums
>
> The D.C. CADD Company, Inc.
> http://www.dccadd.com
> Mike Johnson wrote in message
> <312746D359BD7DDD864CC86BBF8F66FD@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb>...
> >I would like to know if there is anybody out there who will make the
claim
> >that AutoCAD NEVER CRASHES in Win 2000?
> >
> >If it occasionally crashes for any reason then this claim cannot be made.
> >
> >Any takers?
> >
> >Mike Johnson
> >
>

[Anonymous]

If you see no benefit to using 3d at all and demand 100% crash free software
I think r10 DOS will be the most reliable software for you. It is not crash
free though.

ADT3 + WIN2000 crashes once every week or 2 on me. Your post implies to me
that this is unacceptable. If so, I think you will be dissapointed with
adt3.

adt3 on Win2000 is more stable for me than r14 on NT4 ever was.

HTH
Kurt

[Anonymous]

Kurt: I'm not really that unreasonable. I just want to encourage AutoDesk to
make AutoCAD so good it drives the rest of the products from the market
establishing compatibility across our industry. I am an idealist but I use
ADT3 crashes and all. The problem is I know it doesn't have to be this bad
and for the price we pay we deserve better.

I really want to try to decide if Win 2000 is worth the hassles involved
with using it. I will never quit egging AutoDesk on to strive for
perfection, at least until I retire.

It is a windows world and anybody in business practically has to use it.
Compatability is and always has been an important part of computer science.
Suggesting I go back to DOS and Release 10 is almost as bad as recommending
I get a MAC.

As for ADT + Win 2000 crashing once every week or 2, that is much better
than the 3 times a day I am averaging.

As for 3D, I think it is fun and interesting but I haven't found a way to
put it on my construction drawings. It seems to be the only way to have the
computer generate sections and elevations but it really isn't very good at
that yet. I make money doing 3D renderings with Accurender and am familiar
with the marketing uses for 3D in that regard, problem is most of our
clients don't feel it is worth paying for. Only about 5% want to pay me to
do it.

Thanks for your post. You were the first to actually tell me about how many
times ADT crashes in Win 2000. Maybe you can tell all of us what you do with
the 3D models that I'm not appreciating as much as you do, and how do you
use the 3D to generate income.

Mike Johnson

"Kurt Westerlund" wrote in message
news:57BF19D90B64936C958ED6FCF3310184@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> If you see no benefit to using 3d at all and demand 100% crash free
software
> I think r10 DOS will be the most reliable software for you. It is not
crash
> free though.
>
> ADT3 + WIN2000 crashes once every week or 2 on me. Your post implies to
me
> that this is unacceptable. If so, I think you will be dissapointed with
> adt3.
>
> adt3 on Win2000 is more stable for me than r14 on NT4 ever was.
>
> HTH
> Kurt
>

[Anonymous]

The biggest benefit we've seen from the 3d is in client communication. For
schematic design we don't do elevations any more. They take too much time
and ALWAYS change significantly after the SD meetings. We just show 'em the
model. We drag the clients back into the production studio to see it
interactivly if necessary, usually a couple of simple renderings works fine.
After the remodel this summer we'll have a 27" or so tv in the conf. room so
we can keep the model accessible for the entire meeting. The lack of
hatching and trim keeps the meeting focused on forms instead of finishes and
gives the clients a much better understanding of the structure. We also
usually do solar studies at this time. This ability is quite valuable and I
don't know how we would do it w/o something like ADT. Physical models cost
too much to justify a solar study. I can't tell you how happy I am not to
draw elevations this early in the project.

Also we like to do interior renderings of the important areas in the Design
Development phase. Clients almost always comment that they had envisioned
it differently from the plans. This isn't a monetary benefit, but I am
more comfortable knowing the clients have a better understanding of the
structure.

As far as 2d goes, the wall styles, window mullions, annotation features,
and automatic layering are all things that I really appreciate.

I was having quite a few crashes early on in ADT3 and even more in ADT2 but
after I got it all config'ed, it seems to be doing ok. I would recommend
Win2000 w/o hessitation, it is by far the most stable IMHO.

HTH
Kurt

[mindybeede]

ADT3 on Windows 2000: hasn't crashed but once for me since installing it 3 months ago and that was because I did a stupid thing: opened 14 documents to print and tried printing them while working on another complicated file--my brain would crash with that much load! Otherwise, a great OS and, Mike, the glass can be seen as half full without losing your idealism.

[Anonymous]

In my experience crashes can come from many places. My new laptop with
Win2000 was crashing and rebooting sometimes 4-5 times a day! My Win98
Desktop, and other Win95 Laptop are MUCH more stable than this. Obviously
this it not at all typical. I finally took the big plunge into the
wonderful world of NT, and am so far not happy. I took it in to the shop
for testing and got the answer I expected - "We didn't find anything wrong
with it." Arrggh. They suggested that I could have a bad A/C Adapter. I
replaced it and (knock on wood) haven't had a problem in at least a week. I
still have Office 2000 apps crashing all the time. There is a known problem
with some HP printer drivers causing this on Win2000 systems. As soon as I
delete and reinstall the latest drivers, the problem goes away, for a while.
I wish computer hardware, software, and OS's could "all just get along." I
agree with you, for the prices we pay, they should! Sometimes I think I
lose more time troubleshooting and fixing computer problems, than any
productivity gains all the new "advances" bring. I am not suggesting we
return to DOS/R10. I am all for innovation and moving forward; just make it
REALLY work right. I also that the next version of AutoCAD/ADT should have
no new features. It should just debug, fix and enhance existing features.
Let the flaming begin! 😉

--
Daniel J. Altamura, R.A.
Altamura Architectural Consulting
and SoftWorx, Autodesk Registered Developer
DAltamura@compuserve.com

"Mike Johnson" wrote in message
news:312746D359BD7DDD864CC86BBF8F66FD@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> I would like to know if there is anybody out there who will make the claim
> that AutoCAD NEVER CRASHES in Win 2000?
>
> If it occasionally crashes for any reason then this claim cannot be made.
>
> Any takers?
>
> Mike Johnson
>

[Anonymous]

Mike,

As the "diligent moderator" who moved your post the other day, let me say
that you read far too much into that action than is there. As a "CAD Guy"
myself, I would think that other "CAD Guys" have at least a passing interest
in computer science. However this particular newsgroup is for technical
issues directly related to ADT, not general discussion of general computer
science topics. Therefore, your post was moved to Take5, which is where
general discussion topics should be placed, as opposed to simply being
deleted, which is what could have happened in OTHER moderated newsgroups.

And I see that it has gotten quite a response over there. Much more
discussion, I would wager, than it would have gotten here.

As for software stability, I agree that it would be nice to have software
that never crashes, but ADT is a pretty complex piece of software. In
addition to the thousands of lines of code that it contains, it also has to
mesh with AutoCAD2000, which has even more code. Each service pack of
AutoCAD has the potential to do something to ADT. And even the most
diligent QA process is most likely going to miss something. I can assure you
that the guys in Manchester would love to produce completely bug free
software and that they are striving toward that goal, but it will most
likely be a goal that won't be met any time soon, if at all. While I don't
doubt your claim to have written software that never crashes, I do doubt
that it was/is nearly as complex as ADT/AutoCAD, or nearly as CPU and
memory-intensive.

The reasons for your crashes, as someone else here has indicated, can be
many, and not all directly related to ADT.

Regardless, to answer your original question, Win2000 is far more stable
than any other Windows program I have ever run on, and yes, it is worth all
the "administrator hassles".

As for your issues with the viability of ADT for CD's, I agree also that
there is more improvement needed in the sections and elevations, and I
expect that these will be an evolving feature (and they have already come
quite a ways in 3 releases). In fact, they aren't inended, at this point, to
be CD-ready objects. But someday they will be. Be that as it may, they are
still a sight better than NOTHING to generate sections and elevations. At
the very least, you have a 2D object that you can use for a template for
your final section. And something that is usable as a design tool and
preliminary drawing object that is live-update-able (is that a word? )
from the model. That's a huge head start over doing it by hand. But without
the 3D model you'd have nothing at all.

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Mike Johnson wrote in message
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[Anonymous]

Mike,

I stand corrected on one issue. When I moved your post to Take5, it turned
up as a reply to another post of the same title. If you like, I can move it
to be it's own thread. Let me know.

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[Anonymous]

Mike,
I have crashed ADT3 on Win 2000 and on NT 4.0.
On NT we always reboot the machine after a crash.
On 2000 we can get back in and continue without any problems.
Crashes/freezes are infrequent on both. (for us at least)

I read another response about upgrading the OS.
I'll never upgrade my OS again. Win 2000 is not that much better than NT 4.0.

If you have any of the Win 9x systems I would reformat and do a clean install.

If you try to upgrade you will probably end up reformatting anyway.

Just my 2 cents.

Mike Lahey

Mike Johnson wrote:

> I would like to know if there is anybody out there who will make the claim
> that AutoCAD NEVER CRASHES in Win 2000?
>
> If it occasionally crashes for any reason then this claim cannot be made.
>
> Any takers?
>
> Mike Johnson