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Scopes of styles application, very important, please read.

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03-08-2013 04:13 AM

After seeking on the web I have no answers.

Typical work on enginnering office can be to send our works to a different clients. Inside our office, some engineers need to see the data using a particular style, others other.

 

One of them wants to see the points with elevation and number, others wants to see a small circle, etc.  I'm talking in both worlds, the modelspace  and paperspace (layouts).

 

Yes, I know that I can use the point group feature but I'm searching something more powerful .

 

The solution could be as simple as link my drawing with an external template to override styles.  This does not exist, isnt it?  As in web page design, change a css file changes the aspect of a page in milisenconds....

Also I'd need something like to apply to the layouts.

 

What is your opinion about this needs? How do you fix this problem.

Thanks.

 

 

 

 

 

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Re: Scopes of styles application, very important, please read.

03-08-2013 05:21 AM in reply to: tonnot

I haven't seen anything like this. The only thing I can think of is to do all your work with everything using the Standard Style, modified as you like to work. Then have different templates so you can start a new drawing with each one. Each Template would have the Standard Style modified to present the labels in the manner that the person receiving them wants.

 

Not exactly the best and could be accomplished just as well by making a copy of the original drawing and importing styles from different templates. Again depending on how the recipient wants it shown.

 

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Re: Scopes of styles application, very important, please read.

03-08-2013 06:49 AM in reply to: tonnot

Some of what you're trying to do can be done with layers.  For example, you can have the point label on one style, and the point itself using a style on another layer.  Turning layers on and off: you can see both the text and the circle, or just one or the other, or neither.

 

This will work in the example you mention.  But I suspect that you're trying to do more than can be done in that way.


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Re: Scopes of styles application, very important, please read.

03-08-2013 10:54 AM in reply to: tonnot

Thanks for your anwers.

 

Allen Jessup:

You are agree with me that something like css would be the right thing, isnt it ?

 

Troma:

mmmm, too laborious.... 

 

Somebody of autodesk support ?

Thanks

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Re: Scopes of styles application, very important, please read.

03-08-2013 12:17 PM in reply to: tonnot

OK, I have no idea what css is, but I disagree that my method is too laborious.  Too narrow in scope, yes.  But not laborius.  It would take some setting up, but then so do all styles & settings.  Once it was set up it would be possible to change the view in one step: layer manager.  Or have template viewports with preset layerstates, so you can bring in a layout and it will already show exactly how you want it.

 

Now, if you could have label styles with components on different layers within the label, you could do exactly what you want.  Unfortunatly that is not currently possible.


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Re: Scopes of styles application, very important, please read.

03-11-2013 10:14 AM in reply to: troma

css "Cascade Style Sheet."

Every web page can have a css linked with.  It can be internal to html page or a external file. (file.css)

 

Into css, you can define the aspect (or style) of every class you use in your html page. In example you can have a class named "MY_news", used to show news (you can define the font, the color, etc) .

 

If you use this web resource (css) as a file , you can change on the fly the aspect of a whole portal without doing more than change the css file I use.  

 

Autodesk could to take this usefull behavior into account.

Thanks

 

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Re: Scopes of styles application, very important, please read.

03-11-2013 11:46 AM in reply to: tonnot

If the recipients of your files are using C3D then can they not configure their templates to apply their own styles to your files?

 

Of course if they are not using C3D then they won't be able to use styles and you'll have to apply the approriate styles and export your files to Autocad as dumb graphics.

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Re: Scopes of styles application, very important, please read.

03-11-2013 09:57 PM in reply to: Neilw

If multiple users need to view points using different styles then the survey database may be an option.  The source drawing will be where the points are created, and the database can be populated using an import event from that drawing.  Other users can read points from the database, apply their own styles, create their own point groups etc.

 

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Re: Scopes of styles application, very important, please read.

03-14-2013 10:47 AM in reply to: sboon

Thanks everybody 

Ok, finally...  honestly I think that it should be a future feature of civil3d. 

 

It have not sense to limit the posibility of having different styles on the same civil3d-project.-drawing-layouts.

The right way is to let apply the styles defined into a external file. 

 

Autodesk developer have only look at the web desing (css files), maintaning an right inheritance and precedences.

 

Thanks again  

 

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Re: Scopes of styles application, very important, please read.

03-14-2013 10:54 AM in reply to: tonnot

If you want Autodesk to consider this then the Civil3d Wishlist forum is the place to go.  Another option is the AUGI wishlist.  If you get enough support from other users then your wish will likely be considered seriously.

 

Please note however that one of the major selling features of Civil3d, and one of the explicit reasons why Autodesk created this software to replace Land Desktop was getting rid of external files and directory structures necessary to use the drawing.  I think that most users would consider an external file used to control display styles to be a step backwards.

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