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Migration to Infrastructure Design Suite

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Message 1 of 96
terryl
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Migration to Infrastructure Design Suite

Has anyone seen any emails from autodesk on the migration to infrastructure design suite, my reseller as told me about it, but said autodesk has sent out emails on it and I have not seen anything from them on it.  Just check to see if anyone else has seen them.

 

Thanks

Terry

Civil 3D 2021
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Message 21 of 96
troma
in reply to: terryl
Message 22 of 96
philip.s
in reply to: terryl


@terryl wrote:

I see the Building Design Suite is also in my download area, anyone know if i need to download this too.


This definitely isn't by design and we're working on getting it cleared up ASAP. My apologies for the inconvenience and please let me know if you have any additional questions.

Message 23 of 96

I'm worried too that I will miss the opt-out time frame.  from my subscription center I see I can download 2014 LT, Cad, and the new design suite, but not Civil 3D which I want to keep and not upgrade.  I've had emails on the first 2 products but not Civil 3D.  wonder what the opt-out window timeframe is....

Message 24 of 96

I've been told that the Opt-out by date is about mid-January 2014 if your Subscription doesn't expire before then. You should contact your reseller to discuss how this affects you. As I've posted, since we have Raster Design we will save money by upgrading. The difference in Subscription cost is only  about $55 per seat.

 

Again. Please reach out to your reseller. They are the ones who should be able to lay out how this will specifically affect you.

 

Allen Jessup



Allen Jessup
Engineering Specialist / CAD Manager

Message 25 of 96
n2itive
in reply to: AllenJessup

Don't mean to hijack this thread but I figured one of you would know the answer to this question: After installing IDS 2014 and requesting the new license file, I am only able to run 2014 and c3d 2013. Did autodesk change their policy in regards to allowing 3 previous versions? Or will I have to combine my old license file with the new one, similar to what we had to do for raster design & c3d in the past. I just find it strange that c3d 2013 is the only previous version that works with the new license.

Infrastructure Design Suite 2014
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Message 26 of 96
david.zavislan
in reply to: n2itive

I assume that it is doing that since the design suites did not exist prior to 2013.  I was told by my reseller that we can combine license files. However, they did not mention that we could combine our 2014 IDS license with prior Civil 3D licenses.  Clarification on that would be appreciated.

David Zavislan, P.E. | Wood Rodgers, Inc.
Message 27 of 96
dgorsman
in reply to: n2itive

Technically correct, I think, but there should probably be a better explanation.  They support up to 3 versions back for the *suite*, not the core product.  So if you had a dedicated Civil3D 2014 license, you could run Civil3D 2012.  If you upgrade from the core product to the suite, I don't think you would be allowed to combine the "old" licenses since they are technically replaced by the suite licenses (kind of like taking your old 2011 licenses and appending them to your 2012 license file to double your license count).  There may be a legitimate work-around for that if they recognize the problem - sign in to subscription, request licensing support and explain your situation.

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Message 28 of 96
philip.s
in reply to: dgorsman

I should be able to shed some light on the issue of upgraded products vs. previous versions.

Once your license has been upgraded to a different product line (in this case Civil 3D -> Infrastructure Design Suite) all previous licenses are no longer valid. If one has a standalone license and needs access to previous versions, they would need to submit a Previous Version Request in the Subscription Center.

Network licenses are different in that as long as they are attached to a Subscription, they will automatically generate a package license file, containing the supported previous versions, meaning that the software would also have to be deployed / installed as a suite on the users machine.

Message 29 of 96
AllenJessup
in reply to: philip.s

Lets see if I'm reading this right. If I am on Subscription, have a network license and want to install Infrastructure Design Suite Premium 2014 but also be able to run C3D 2012. I'd have to download and install Infrastructure Design Suite Premium 2012. The network license will have package information.

 

Allen Jessup



Allen Jessup
Engineering Specialist / CAD Manager

Message 30 of 96
philip.s
in reply to: AllenJessup

Correct! The exception here is for 2011 components which can be installed separately as the 1st IDS release was 2012.

 

A simply way to verify package license file components and the corresponding / required previous version installations is to open the license file in the Autodesk License Parser.

*Edit - The cascade sequence should allow for previous Civil 3D installs to work as expected. Even though you're now on a Suite, the NLM no longer cares as it simply will hand out a seat to whatever product launches.

 

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Message 31 of 96
n2itive
in reply to: philip.s

OK, so I guess I understand what you are saying, however, that doesn't seem to be the case for me after some more testing.

 

Right now, I have I.D.S. 2014 installed along with C3D 2011-2013. This is the first year we are using IDS, basically because of the free upgrade. We are using a network license. After applying the new license file to our license manager I can access the following:

1. All I.D.S. 2014 software

2. c3d 2013

3. c3d 2011

 

I can't however gain access to c3d 2012... I get the "no valid license can be found" message.

 

It doesn't seem to matter whether we had the IDS or just C3D in previous years - except for 2012.

??

Infrastructure Design Suite 2014
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Message 32 of 96
AllenJessup
in reply to: philip.s

Nice utility. Looking forward to trying it.

 

Yes. 2011 is a bit different. These are the choices I have to download;

 

AutoCAD Raster Design English 2011 Win 32/64

AutoCAD English, Czech, Polish, Hungarian, Russian 2011 Win 32

AutoCAD English, Czech, Polish, Hungarian, Russian 2011 Win 64

AutoCAD English, French, Italian, German, Spanish, Portuguese 2011 Win 32

AutoCAD English, French, Italian, German, Spanish, Portuguese 2011 Win 64

AutoCAD English, Korean, Simplified Chinese, Traditional Chinese 2011 Win 32

AutoCAD English, Korean, Simplified Chinese, Traditional Chinese 2011 Win 64

AutoCAD English, Japanese 2011 Win 32

AutoCAD English, Japanese 2011 Win 64

AutoCAD English, French, Spanish, Portuguese 2011 Win 32

AutoCAD English, French, Spanish, Portuguese 2011 Win 64

AutoCAD Civil 3D English 2011 Win 32

AutoCAD Civil 3D English 2011 Win 64

AutoCAD Map 3D English 2011 Win 32

AutoCAD Map 3D English 2011 Win 64

Autodesk 3DS Max Design English 2011 Win 32/64

Autodesk Navisworks Simulate English, French, German, Italian, Japanese, Korean, Portuguese, Russian, Simplified Chinese, Spanish 2011 Win 32

Autodesk Navisworks Simulate English, French, German, Italian, Japanese, Korean, Portuguese, Russian, Simplified Chinese, Spanish 2011 Win 64

null English, French, German 2011 Win 32/64

 

I guess all I'd have to do is download C3D, RD, Map 3D, 3DS Max and Navisworks all 64 bit. Maybe AutoCAD English, Japanese 2011 Win 64 too. It looks a lot more daunting on the site. But I probably wont do any.

 

Allen



Allen Jessup
Engineering Specialist / CAD Manager

Message 33 of 96
AllenJessup
in reply to: terryl

An email came in this morning. It confirms that you can revert to Civil 3D up until Jan. 15, 2014. For what looks like a minimal increase in the Subscription cost. You're going to get a lot more software. I think just Raster Design or 3ds Max would be worth the price. The yearly Subscription on Raster Design is about 5 times what the Infrastructure Design Suite extra cost will be.

 

I'm still suggesting that everyone discuss this with their reseller before deciding.

 

Allen Jessup



Allen Jessup
Engineering Specialist / CAD Manager

Message 34 of 96
neilyj666
in reply to: AllenJessup

The other thing to remember is that it's not just about cost - you need to factor in training and learning to use the software that you get (some of which looks pretty complicated).

If your employer allows you "home use" then you should be prepared to do that just that to learn about using the software (hardware specifications permitting) - this is the way I plan to proceed.

neilyj (No connection with Autodesk other than using the products in the real world)
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Message 35 of 96
AllenJessup
in reply to: neilyj666


@neilyj666 wrote:
The other thing to remember is that it's not just about cost - you need to factor in training and learning to use the software that you get (some of which looks pretty complicated).

Yes. That has to be considered. But since we are getting software we didn't anticipate for what is a low cost per seat. You don't have to worry much about ROI.
 

We already have Raster Design so no training there. The rest I plan to pick up as I go and offer individual training as needed. I have to learn a bit about each program before I can decide if and where it will be integrated in to our workflow.

 

Of course other shops will have different needs and a different plan.

 

Allen Jessup



Allen Jessup
Engineering Specialist / CAD Manager

Message 36 of 96
AllenJessup
in reply to: terryl

Funny. My reseller just asked for a copy of the email. He has clients that haven't gotten anything on this issue either and Autodesk doesn't copy their resellers on emails sent to clients. So he wanted to see what we were being told.

 

Allen Jessup



Allen Jessup
Engineering Specialist / CAD Manager

Message 37 of 96
DarrenP
in reply to: AllenJessup

there is a major update regarding the suite migration for civil 3d and map 3d customers on subscription:

http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/ps/dl/item?siteID=123112&id=21896636&linkID=9240697&CMP=OTC-RSS...

 

New deadline of July 15, 2013, to take action on opt in or opt out of $0 cost upgrade to Infrastructure Design Suite. This replaces the previously communicated deadline of January 15, 2014.

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Message 38 of 96
ACADuser
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Question:

 

What is the purpose of having an option to "opt out" if Adesk considers you to have opted out if you don't opt in?

 

>>>>>>>>>>

1.3 What options are now available to affected customers?

The changes in the program have been communicated via email to affected customers and state the following:

For customers with an English language product, changes include:

  • The program is changing from an “Opt out” only to an “Opt in” and “Opt out” program.
  • New deadline of July 15, 2013,to take action on opt in or opt out of $0 cost upgrade to Infrastructure Design Suite. This replaces the previously communicated deadline of January 15, 2014.
  • If a customer takes no action, i.e., does not opt in or opt out by July 15, 2013, they will be considered to have opted out and will be fulfilled with the 2014 versions of AutoCAD Civil 3D and/or AutoCAD Map 3D based on entitlements. Subscription contracts will be changed to reflect the customer’s choice.
  • This is a change from the previously communicated program and access to Autodesk Infrastructure Design Suite will no longer be available unless the customer opts in by July 15, 2013.

>>>>>>>>>>

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Message 39 of 96
DarrenP
in reply to: ACADuser

i have no clue

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Message 40 of 96
AllenJessup
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I just got off the phone with my reseller. He learned about this on Friday. The way he understands it is that EVERYONE who wants the upgrade must now Opt-in. This includes those who have already paid for the upgrade on Subscription. I wont repeat some of the words he used to describe this situation.

 

Allen



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