The save in R4 issue format may become severly problemetic -- much
overshadowing the few other neat 2004 improvements. It's mainly a psycologic
problem ---more real than perceived, I suspect.
There may be significant "unbder-the-hood" reasons foir this apparent
deficiently but I fear that "marketing" factors will receive the blame.
1. Relese 14 was a "fantasic" realease and widely received as such.
2. Release 2000/2000i offered few -- but interesting -- changes.
3. Release 2002 offered little of interest -- with a few semi- inportant
4. I withhold my subjective opinions of Release 2004 -- although at this
early date, Release 2004 seems rather limped. Given the announced
"improvements" of Releae 2004, say, over release 2002 or R-14, I am, so far,
Perhaps AutoCAD has reached a flattening of its "improvement" curve and we
who use or teach it daily should be cognoscent of this fact.
Not sure about the "raw" package, but as a base for ADT, etc, the changes
are quite amazing, We have a few weeks to go still, and this will be
discussed in other groups, but there are significant differences between
2004 based products.
My biggest gripe is non-support of Win98, but hey, I'm a dinosaur anyway !
Reid M. Addis
Architectural Applications Specialist
411 North 20th Street
Philadelphia, PA 19130
ACADVER is the API version number and AutoCAD 2004 is the 16th API version
but really the 18th release of AutoCAD.
"Terry W. Dotson" wrote in message
> Dave Pitzer wrote:
> > 2. Release 2000/2000i offered few -- but interesting -- changes.
> I think the ACADVER sums it up very accurately.
> 2000 = 15.0
> 2000i = 15.05
> 2002 = 15.06
> > I am, so far underwhelmed.
> I like 2004, but consider it the first *significant* upgrade since
> > Perhaps AutoCAD has reached a flattening of its "improvement" curve and
> > who use or teach it daily should be cognoscent of this fact.
> And sharpening the upgrade price curve!
From MSM Insider - Issue #22 March 6, 2003: "MicroStation v8.1 can
reference and edit DWG files created by a wide variety of versions of
AutoCAD, from v2.6 through 2000/2000i/2002 (more versions that are supported
by the current release of AutoCAD, by the way)." MicroStation can be
downloaded for free as trial software. Not a perfect solution but it will
run 15 minutes before shutting down, and that is enough time to resave an
AutoCAD DWG as R14.
> The save in R4 issue format may become severly problemetic -- much
> overshadowing the few other neat 2004 improvements. It's mainly a
> problem ---more real than perceived, I suspect.
I've used every release of AutoCAD since R9. Each has brought with it
benefits and difficulties as well. Those "difficulties" usually mean we, the
users, have to adjust our way of working to accomodate and exploit new
My take on the same releases.
R14 was a great release and widely received as such.
R2000/i offered a HUGE difference in plotting. Many users fought it, but
from a PRODUCTION standpoint it's been a godsend. From an EDUCATION
standpoint it's meant nothing but problems for users who don't quickly grasp
the new plotting system or havn't given up R14 thinking. It also freed us
from DVIEW with 3DOrbit- a GREAT enhancement to viewing. "i" gave us
eTransmit and all the URL stuff as well- and eTransmit has become an
important "must have" feature for those in the production environment who
need to share data with other clients/colleagues. The list goes on...and
on...I can't work without Property Manager now, for instance and the
filtering ability it provides.
R2002 made some significant improvments, but nothing that was overwhelming.
The dimensioning was improved noteably however with Dimassoc and transpacial
dimensioning. Qdim and other such things were welcomed additions/refinements
as well. CAD standards checking was also realized with this one.
R2004 has a LOT to offer the production environment. Publish is another
"Must Have" for us. As is the new Mtext ability. Xrefs improvements,
Draworder preservation, Xref Notify, Communication Center (waiting to see
how we can exploit this one to replace the bulletin board from Today),
Gradient hatches, new Osnap for text justification points, Reference
Manager, Express Viewer, New DWF format, Standard Violation warnings, Tool
palettes, Hidden line settings, multiple redos....the list is quite long.
From an educational standpoint there may not be much that's awe-inspiring
for some educators. But, from a production and CAD Manager subjective
perspective I can say that this is the best release since R14.
So, if you're not seeing much in the way of improvments, maybe you're
looking from the wrong perspective!
"Dave Pitzer" wrote in message
> 4. I withhold my subjective opinions of Release 2004 -- although at this
> early date, Release 2004 seems rather limped. Given the announced
> "improvements" of Releae 2004, say, over release 2002 or R-14, I am, so
> Perhaps AutoCAD has reached a flattening of its "improvement" curve and we
> who use or teach it daily should be cognoscent of this fact.
> Dave Pitzer
That is good news! I probably confused my point, anyway, because I had left
out the part of the article that says MS 8.1 can saveas selectable versions
of DWG. Now, if Autodesk just had a small, free executable batch converter
for R14, MS would have nothing on AutoCAD 2004 for opening and saving
"Shaan Hurley, Autodesk, Inc." wrote in message
> For what it is worth AutoCAD 2004 can open all and edit files from AutoCAD
> 2.6 and up but using the AutoCAD native libraries.
Some of us are a little slow to get going, especially since we may be
digitially chalanged old geezers, but as well in my case I don't use a lot
of the features that everyone is asking about so can only comment on a more
Unless of course, anyone wants to talk about plumbing design.
"Robert Grandmaison" wrote in message
> Howdy Dave- nice to see you pitching in.