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*Murph
Message 11 of 35 (67 Views)

Re: Quick Poll - DWF as Xref, or Read only DWG

03-10-2003 06:28 AM in reply to: *Autodesk\
Read only w/password still allow the drafter/designer to use it but then
allow it to be edit by the proper people.

Murph (what do I know I'm only a map maker :smileyhappy: )

"Wayne Fisher (Autodesk)" wrote in message
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> As a follow up to the earlier "DWF as Xref" thread:
>
> Which feature would be more valuable to you?
>
> [ ] Import (or xref) DWF into DWG (assume that the resultant graphics
would
> be viewable, but not editable)
> [ ] Truly "Read only" DWG (i.e. not just an OS read only flag, but a
truly
> "locked" DWG that could be viewed, but not edited without a password)
>
> and why?
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
>
*Alexander, Dave
Message 12 of 35 (67 Views)

Re:

03-10-2003 06:34 AM in reply to: *Autodesk\
Why? I always thought that the xref actually came about from people
inserting floor plans as blocks to use as backgrounds.
Thats what we used to do before xrefs.

Dave Alexander

"Murph" wrote in message
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> If there was xdata or some other info attached to the enitites it would be
> nice to be able to access it.
>
> Murph
>
> "Dave Alexander" wrote in message
> news:AA020C91B36789DC47ABB033A2882714@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > Scott,
> >
> > Why?? I the dwg is not to be edited, then what do you need all the data
> > for.
> >
>
>
>
*Pike, Shawn
Message 13 of 35 (67 Views)

Re: Quick Poll - DWF as Xref, or Read only DWG

03-10-2003 06:35 AM in reply to: *Autodesk\
Import DWF into DWG, so we could transmit small files that could be used as
noneditable DWF alone, or combined with information in DWG.

Thanks,

Shawn

> [ X ] Import (or xref) DWF into DWG (assume that the resultant graphics
would
> be viewable, but not editable)
> [ ] Truly "Read only" DWG (i.e. not just an OS read only flag, but a
truly
> "locked" DWG that could be viewed, but not edited without a password)
*colmag
Message 14 of 35 (67 Views)

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03-10-2003 07:05 AM in reply to: *Autodesk\
Personally, I like DWF as a pure plot format, ie. no layers etc.

As DWF is a plot format, presumably if it's referenced into a dwg, all of
the entities colour's would be as per the plot (so if CTB type plotting had
been used, you wouldn't have various coloured entites, most would be
black/white with lineweight?), and things like ltscale would be fixed for
the DWF entities?

Also, 'scuse my ignorance again, but is it possible to switch between
model/paper in a DWF? (not something i've tried). If not, then you'd have
a scaled representation of the drawing, rather than a full size, spatially
co-ordinated drawing.

If it would be possible to reference the DWF into modelspace at full size
and in the original location (and clipped to the extents visible in
paperspace), and override the entity colours (similar to the way
Microstation can do with layers), and have the option to flatten the layers
(although NOT forced) then i'd vote for DWF. That's not asking too much is
it :smileywink:

"Shawn Pike" wrote in message
news:52D7DFA75369697CFAC2C4D5EA2A1D43@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Import DWF into DWG, so we could transmit small files that could be used
as
> noneditable DWF alone, or combined with information in DWG.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Shawn
>
> > [ X ] Import (or xref) DWF into DWG (assume that the resultant graphics
> would
> > be viewable, but not editable)
> > [ ] Truly "Read only" DWG (i.e. not just an OS read only flag, but a
> truly
> > "locked" DWG that could be viewed, but not edited without a password)
>
>
>
*Murphy, James
Message 15 of 35 (67 Views)

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03-10-2003 09:01 AM in reply to: *Autodesk\
They did yes, but with the power AD now gives us with xdata, dictionaries
and other non-graphical items we can pass more info on to others. Think of
how useful it would be if every wall,door, window, floor, ceiling & etc.
that is on a floor plan has all the details about that item attached to it
as non-graphical information. If you wanted to know how much concrete you
need to bore though to run your plumbing or HVAC duct work
You run a command and it totals it all up and sends a report back. It may
not be worth the effort for a small project but think of the big projects
and the time it would save an estimator. A lot easier than getting out the
scale and trying to find the local notes on the prints.

Murph

"Dave Alexander" wrote in message
news:37869C6B773CDB270FF1B89A30FF55B7@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Why? I always thought that the xref actually came about from people
> inserting floor plans as blocks to use as backgrounds.
> Thats what we used to do before xrefs.
>
> Dave Alexander
>
> "Murph" wrote in message
> news:AAF5F557DEA8E4645C50F7F6C2393721@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > If there was xdata or some other info attached to the enitites it would
be
> > nice to be able to access it.
> >
> > Murph
> >
> > "Dave Alexander" wrote in message
> > news:AA020C91B36789DC47ABB033A2882714@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > Scott,
> > >
> > > Why?? I the dwg is not to be edited, then what do you need all the
data
> > > for.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
*White, Ian A.
Message 16 of 35 (67 Views)

Re: Quick Poll - DWF as Xref, or Read only DWG

03-10-2003 09:12 AM in reply to: *Autodesk\
On Mon, 10 Mar 2003 13:31:31 -0800, "Wayne Fisher \(Autodesk\)"
wrote:

>As a follow up to the earlier "DWF as Xref" thread:
>
>Which feature would be more valuable to you?
>
>[ ] Import (or xref) DWF into DWG (assume that the resultant graphics would
>be viewable, but not editable)
>[ ] Truly "Read only" DWG (i.e. not just an OS read only flag, but a truly
>"locked" DWG that could be viewed, but not edited without a password)
>
>and why?

If this is for security, then what happens to the drawing it is XREFed
into? If the resulting drawing can be edited, then it is not that
difficult to cover up things like ownership, etc. with a wipeout and but
whatever you want over it.

The same goes for a truly Read Only DWG.

What commands would be available? For example, what about a SAVEAS or
DXFOUT?

--

Regards,

Ian A. White, CPEng
WAI Engineering
Sydney 2000
Australia

Ph: +61 418 203 229
Fax: +61 2 9622 0450
Home Page: www.wai.com.au
*Stoffer
Message 17 of 35 (67 Views)

Re: Quick Poll - DWF as Xref, or Read only DWG

03-10-2003 04:24 PM in reply to: *Autodesk\
"Truly "Read only" DWG (i.e. not just an OS read only flag, but a truly
"locked" DWG that could be viewed, but not edited without a password"
is okay, but if you would like us to use DWF as exchange format it also
would be great.

Both feature would be valuable for me.

Best regards

Niels Stoffer


"Wayne Fisher (Autodesk)" wrote in message
news:smileyvery-happy:4258B6F5BF42DE5AF1166D1311EF0FE@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> As a follow up to the earlier "DWF as Xref" thread:
>
> Which feature would be more valuable to you?
>
> [ ] Import (or xref) DWF into DWG (assume that the resultant graphics
would
> be viewable, but not editable)
> [ ] Truly "Read only" DWG (i.e. not just an OS read only flag, but a
truly
> "locked" DWG that could be viewed, but not edited without a password)
>
> and why?
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
>
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Message 18 of 35 (67 Views)

Re: Quick Poll - DWF as Xref, or Read only DWG

03-10-2003 08:21 PM in reply to: *Autodesk\
I think both features have great possibilities. but definatly a password or passwords for each. A meathod to set what is password protected and what isn't, so as someone said, that a person could change a color or turn off a layer.
*Eloy, Francisco
Message 19 of 35 (67 Views)

Re: Quick Poll - DWF as Xref, or Read only DWG

03-10-2003 09:05 PM in reply to: *Autodesk\
Definitly a Truly "Read Only" DWG.
For all the reasons mentiond above.
Preferably with option to what is permited upon encryptation. Like Acrobat
Security Level.
(i.e.- Allow Plotting Y/N? Allow Xref's Y/N? Open Password / Change
Password, etc...)

I don´t know if this is already happening with 2004 DWG password. Pardon me
if it is.

Francisco

"Wayne Fisher (Autodesk)" wrote in message
news:smileyvery-happy:4258B6F5BF42DE5AF1166D1311EF0FE@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> As a follow up to the earlier "DWF as Xref" thread:
>
> Which feature would be more valuable to you?
>
> [ ] Import (or xref) DWF into DWG (assume that the resultant graphics
would
> be viewable, but not editable)
> [ ] Truly "Read only" DWG (i.e. not just an OS read only flag, but a
truly
> "locked" DWG that could be viewed, but not edited without a password)
>
> and why?
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
>
*Jessup, Allen S.
Message 20 of 35 (67 Views)

Re:

03-10-2003 09:21 PM in reply to: *Autodesk\
A real world example of why password lock on DWG would be useful. At my
second job we produced a drawing containing the existing topography of a
site. This drawing was zipped into a password protected file. The client was
given the password to unzip it. After the design for the new building on the
site was done the client contacted us to complain that we had messed a
significant mound on the site. They claimed that a large amount of
unanticipated site grading had to be done due to this omission. We checked
our original drawing and the mound was shown. we requested the original zip
file to be returned to us to check. The zip file that was returned to us was
not the password protected one that was sent. The drawing that was sent did
not have the mound. Where the mound originally had been shown was an area
containing notes and a title block. We assumed that the contours showing the
mound had been erased to make room for the notes and title.

If the original drawing had been password protected. Not there have been
little question as to whether the mound had been shown. Also if the drawing
had not been editable the contours would not have been erased. Maybe the
time and money wasted would have been saved.

The reason I voted for a truly read only drawing was that I believed that
this would give people receiving information this way the most flexibility
in working with the drawing and producing their product. While protecting
the original data to both parties benefit.

Allen
> If this is for security, then what happens to the drawing it is XREFed
> into? If the resulting drawing can be edited, then it is not that
> difficult to cover up things like ownership, etc. with a wipeout and but
> whatever you want over it.
>
> The same goes for a truly Read Only DWG.
>
> What commands would be available? For example, what about a SAVEAS or
> DXFOUT?
>
> --
>
> Regards,
>
> Ian A. White, CPEng
> WAI Engineering
> Sydney 2000
> Australia
>
> Ph: +61 418 203 229
> Fax: +61 2 9622 0450
> Home Page: www.wai.com.au

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