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*Paul
Message 1 of 11 (68 Views)

Has anyone had an alternate solution for this problem?

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01-17-2002 12:11 PM
Hi everyone,

After upgrading from 2000 to 2002 under WIN98SE, I receive the following
message "A required .DLL File, AC1st15.dll, was not found". Based on
Autodesk KB, this problem occur when the path statement in Win98, SE or Me
has reached 259 characters (see their solution below). I guess that I have
installed many program in the pass that would use up the 259 characters
path. Anyway, I've tried both proposed method 1 & 2 from Autodesk to no
avail. Has anyone had an alternate solution for this problem?

==========================
Note: This problem does not occur on computers running Windows NT® 4.0 or
Windows® 2000.

This problem occurs when you start the program on a computer where both of
the following conditions exist:

The path statement in the autoexec.bat file (added during the installation
of the program) was removed or modified after installation.
The number of characters in the path statement exceeds the limit allowed for
characters in a path in the Windows 95, Windows 98 or Windows Me registries.



Solution

Use one of the following methods to correct the path statements:

Method #1

Correct the path statement in the autoexec.bat file to point to
C:\progra~1\common~1\autode~1, and then restart the computer.

Method #2

During installation, shorten the directory names for the Autodesk software.
For example, change the default directory, c:\program files\acad2000, to
c:\acad2000.
======================
*Weaver, Mike
Message 2 of 11 (68 Views)

Re: Has anyone had an alternate solution for this problem?

01-18-2002 01:02 AM in reply to: *Paul
Paul,
Try this. Use the subst command (in your autoexec.bat) to assign a logical
drive letter to your acad install directory:
subst x: "c:\program files\acad2000"

Then change all references to this folder to simply point to the new logical
drive:
Path=...c:\program files\acad2000...
Becomes
Path=...x:\...

You may also want to make the same changes in your acad search path.

Mike Weaver

"Paul" wrote in message
news:4B896D080E2E7763BF5352F2EF4342FE@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Hi everyone,
>
> After upgrading from 2000 to 2002 under WIN98SE, I receive the following
> message "A required .DLL File, AC1st15.dll, was not found". Based on
> Autodesk KB, this problem occur when the path statement in Win98, SE or Me
> has reached 259 characters (see their solution below). I guess that I have
> installed many program in the pass that would use up the 259 characters
> path. Anyway, I've tried both proposed method 1 & 2 from Autodesk to no
> avail. Has anyone had an alternate solution for this problem?
>
> ==========================
> Note: This problem does not occur on computers running Windows NT® 4.0 or
> Windows® 2000.
>
> This problem occurs when you start the program on a computer where both of
> the following conditions exist:
>
> The path statement in the autoexec.bat file (added during the installation
> of the program) was removed or modified after installation.
> The number of characters in the path statement exceeds the limit allowed
for
> characters in a path in the Windows 95, Windows 98 or Windows Me
registries.
>
>
>
> Solution
>
> Use one of the following methods to correct the path statements:
>
> Method #1
>
> Correct the path statement in the autoexec.bat file to point to
> C:\progra~1\common~1\autode~1, and then restart the computer.
>
> Method #2
>
> During installation, shorten the directory names for the Autodesk
software.
> For example, change the default directory, c:\program files\acad2000, to
> c:\acad2000.
> ======================
>
>
*Moses, Torsten
Message 3 of 11 (68 Views)

Re: Has anyone had an alternate solution for this problem?

01-18-2002 10:08 AM in reply to: *Paul
Some further ideas :

- add the Acad root path to the support pathes list
- ensure, that your desktop icon has that Acad root path as Working
directory

I've noticed several times, that Acad & ExpressTools will not work properly
without these settings (on some machines) - on other machines and/or other
times,
Avad & ExpressTools will work without these settings

Try it, sometimes it helps ...

Good luck
Torsten Moses
*Paul
Message 4 of 11 (68 Views)

Re:

01-18-2002 10:12 AM in reply to: *Paul
Mike,

Attach is my Autoexec.bat file before and after modification. Please note
that after modification I still have the same problem. I think my
modification doesn't take any effect. Do you have any idea?

I don't understand the subst command and how to use it. If it doesn't take
too much of your time, could you please modify mine. I would like to try to
see if it does help.

Thanks in advance for your time and help.

Sincerely,

Paul


=============================
Before modification
=============================

D:\PQSC\PROGRAM\CRESTORE D:\PQSC\PROGRAM\CRESTORE.CMD
@PATH
C:\PROGRA~1\MICROS~2\OFFICE;C:\WINDOWS;C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND;C:\PROGRA~1\MSOFFI
CE\OFFICE;%PATH%

REM [Header]

REM [CD-ROM Drive]

rem - By Windows Setup - C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND\MSCDEX /D:MSCD001 /D:L

REM [Miscellaneous]

REM [Display]

PATH
C:\WINDOWS;C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND;C:\PROGRA~1\MICROS~2\OFFICE;C:\Novell\Client32

Set NWLANGUAGE=ENGLISH
Set NWLANGUAGE=ENGLISH

SET PATH=%PATH%;C:\PROGRA~1\COMMON~1\AUTODE~1
SET PATH=%PATH%;C:\PROGRA~1\COMMON~1\AUTODE~1
SET PATH=%PATH%;"d:\ProgramFiles\SolidEdge\Program"

SET PATH=%PATH%;C:\PROGRA~1\COMMON~1\AUTODE~1
-------------------------------------------

========================
AFTER MODIFICATION
========================

SET PATH=%PATH%;C:\PROGRA~1\COMMON~1\AUTODE~1
D:\PQSC\PROGRAM\CRESTORE D:\PQSC\PROGRAM\CRESTORE.CMD
@PATH
C:\WINDOWS;C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND;C:\PROGRA~1\MSOFFICE\OFFICE;%PATH%
PATH C:\WINDOWS;C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND;C:\Novell\Client32
Set NWLANGUAGE=ENGLISH
SET PATH=%PATH%;C:\PROGRA~1\COMMON~1\AUTODE~1

-------------------------------------------

I also notice the following note at the bottom of Autodesk KB. I don't
understand the meaning of it. I am wondering if there is other path
statement reside in Window 98 SE registry that would cause this problem.

-------------------------------------------

.......Additional Information

Information about setting path statements is available from the following
sources:

Microsoft Windows 95 Resource Guide
Copyright 1995 by Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.
Microsoft Windows 98 Resource Guide
Copyright 1998 by Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.
Microsoft Windows Me Resource Guide
Copyright 1999 by Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.
The path information contained in the registry is not static. When you start
the Autodesk software, the path statement is rewritten, as follows:

AutoCAD® and AutoCAD-based products. The path information is placed at the
beginning of the statement in the APPATHS registry key.
AutoCAD Release 14-based products. The AutoCAD Release 14 path information
is placed at the beginning of the statement, and the more current AutoCAD
path information is moved to the end of the path statement.
If the combined paths then exceed the maximum number of characters allowed
in a path statement in a registry key, the characters exceeding the limit
are ignored. AutoCAD and AutoCAD-based products then refer to their path
statement in the autoexec.bat file. If the path statement in autoexec.bat
was removed or modified, the error message occurs.

Note: Network login scripts can overwrite path statements in the
autoexec.bat file. Consult with your network administrator as to whether
network login scripts should be modified to resolve this problem.
------------------------------------------
*Paul
Message 5 of 11 (68 Views)

Re:

01-20-2002 02:44 AM in reply to: *Paul
Torsten,

Thanks for the tips, I will try it again tomorrow at work. However, I think
I'd better try the other method from you "Need to Load 2002 and 2000 on the
same stand alone sys."
If I understand correctly, user is able to install two or many different
AutoCAD version in the same computer by following your instruction? In your
message (step 5), you describe to remove the "\...\AutoDesk Shared" from
support pathes. I take a look underl Tools - Options - Files tab - Support
files search path - I don't see ...Autodesk Shared is listed in there. In
this case how can I remove the Autodesk shared search pathes?

Thanks in advance for your time and help.

Paul

---------------------------------------
1) Clear the folder "\...\AutoDesk Shared" and kill all files !
> 2) re-install LT20000 -> all files are placed into "\...\AutoDesk Shared"
> again,
> but these are the files of LT2000
> 3) apply all available patches for LT2000 (this will update some files in
> shared folder too)
> 4) move all files from "\...\AutoDesk Shared" into the LT2000 install root
> 5) start LT2000, and
> - remove "\...\AutoDesk Shared" from support pathes
> - add LT2000 install root as support path
----------------------------------------

"Torsten Moses" wrote in message
news:9E28BC9209E04108A9230205CDE0B579@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Some further ideas :
>
> - add the Acad root path to the support pathes list
> - ensure, that your desktop icon has that Acad root path as Working
> directory
>
> I've noticed several times, that Acad & ExpressTools will not work
properly
> without these settings (on some machines) - on other machines and/or other
> times,
> Avad & ExpressTools will work without these settings
>
> Try it, sometimes it helps ...
>
> Good luck
> Torsten Moses
>
>
*Moses, Torsten
Message 6 of 11 (68 Views)

Re:

01-20-2002 02:44 AM in reply to: *Paul
Hi, Paul,

yes, under some circumstances it is possible to have several Acad's running
on
the same machine, even if Autodesk does not support this (and by using
"...\Shared Files\Autodesk Shared" they make it nearly impossible)

Usually, it seems, that Acad does not include that path "...\Shared
Files\Autodesk Shared" in their support pathes - Windows searches this path
automatically for files, if Acad is correct installed, and this path
"...\Shared Files\Autodesk Shared" is declared as a standard path for
windows. But just this detail may not be fullfilled on all machines (see the
messages from this tree), so it is always a good idea to add this path
"...\Shared Files\Autodesk Shared" and also the Acad root path as Acad's
search pathes under "Options/Files/Support files".

If you follow my tips from the related message (for 2 or more Acad/LT's
running on same machine), you will not need to add the Autodesk Shared path
as search path, because it is empty then -:smileyhappy:

The tips from my other message is working well, but it needs some more
efforts for installing the Aacd/LT versions and their pathes ... but once
you are done it works very fine. The problem is only the "Autodesk Shared"
folder and its files, that share for all Acad/LTs - so the last Acad/LT
installed "wins the game" ... but usually, older versions (2000, 2000i)
should work with those "Autodesk Shared" files from 2002, but SHOULD

My method (moving the shared files into the appropriate Acad root) works
better (except for MAP, this really needs some files from the Shared
folder - its programmed little bit dirty).

There is only 1 problem :
Acad2000 and Acad200i (same with LT 2000 & 2000i) uses identically registry
keys - this is intended by Autodesk to prevent even running several Acads
simultaneously !! But only the SAME language version TOGETHER with SAME
vertical version share the same registry key : if your are using Acad2000
'Vanilla' and Acad200i MAP/MDT/LDT etc., they use different keys.

BUT: even if you are using identical Acad in versions 2000 & 2000i, there is
another solution to have both versions running simultaneously ... this trick
uses Registry files (*.reg) to switch between both versions.

So please tell me exactly which versions you would like to use, and I can
give you some more details; and I may then tell you the Registry trick in
all detaisl (it is to much to explain -:smileyhappy:) ...

Best regards, I hope it works well
Torsten
*Paul
Message 7 of 11 (68 Views)

Re:

01-20-2002 08:50 AM in reply to: *Paul
Hi Torsten,

I just try your method at home to install 2000 and 2002 under ME. Here is
what I've done:

I. Since I already have 2002 in my machine and just want to make sure that
I've all the correct 2002 Shared files.
1. I delete the Autodesk shared folder completely from Explorer
2. Running the installation cd and chose Re-install 2002 option
3. Reboot when installation is completed
4. Copy Autodesk shared to 2002 directory i.e D:\Program files\Autocad 2002
5. Launch AutoCAD
6. Add D:\Program files\Autocad 2002 into Support files search path
7. Close 2002
8. Delete Autodesk shared.

II. Run installation 2000 cd - Chose full install option into D:\ACAD2K -
Repeat the above step 3 thru 8.

Both of them is now running (I have to try it at work to see if it works
under WIN98SE. I have a weird problem when installing 2002 into the
computer at work); however, I can't modify the Support Files Search Path
from one version without making the other change accordingly. For instance,
if I change the Support Files Search Path from 2000 to D:\ACAD2K. When I
open 2002, the Support Files Search Pathes is updated to D:\ACAD2K as well.
Is there a way to lock each version into its own intalled directory?

Thanks in advance for your time and help.

Paul


"Torsten Moses" wrote in message
news:989AAF02C9C21D8A0E1FFAAEF26EF3B9@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Hi, Paul,
>
> yes, under some circumstances it is possible to have several Acad's
running
> on
> the same machine, even if Autodesk does not support this (and by using
> "...\Shared Files\Autodesk Shared" they make it nearly impossible)
>
> Usually, it seems, that Acad does not include that path "...\Shared
> Files\Autodesk Shared" in their support pathes - Windows searches this
path
> automatically for files, if Acad is correct installed, and this path
> "...\Shared Files\Autodesk Shared" is declared as a standard path for
> windows. But just this detail may not be fullfilled on all machines (see
the
> messages from this tree), so it is always a good idea to add this path
> "...\Shared Files\Autodesk Shared" and also the Acad root path as Acad's
> search pathes under "Options/Files/Support files".
>
> If you follow my tips from the related message (for 2 or more Acad/LT's
> running on same machine), you will not need to add the Autodesk Shared
path
> as search path, because it is empty then -:smileyhappy:
>
> The tips from my other message is working well, but it needs some more
> efforts for installing the Aacd/LT versions and their pathes ... but once
> you are done it works very fine. The problem is only the "Autodesk Shared"
> folder and its files, that share for all Acad/LTs - so the last Acad/LT
> installed "wins the game" ... but usually, older versions (2000, 2000i)
> should work with those "Autodesk Shared" files from 2002, but SHOULD
>
> My method (moving the shared files into the appropriate Acad root) works
> better (except for MAP, this really needs some files from the Shared
> folder - its programmed little bit dirty).
>
> There is only 1 problem :
> Acad2000 and Acad200i (same with LT 2000 & 2000i) uses identically
registry
> keys - this is intended by Autodesk to prevent even running several Acads
> simultaneously !! But only the SAME language version TOGETHER with SAME
> vertical version share the same registry key : if your are using Acad2000
> 'Vanilla' and Acad200i MAP/MDT/LDT etc., they use different keys.
>
> BUT: even if you are using identical Acad in versions 2000 & 2000i, there
is
> another solution to have both versions running simultaneously ... this
trick
> uses Registry files (*.reg) to switch between both versions.
>
> So please tell me exactly which versions you would like to use, and I can
> give you some more details; and I may then tell you the Registry trick in
> all detaisl (it is to much to explain -:smileyhappy:) ...
>
> Best regards, I hope it works well
> Torsten
>
>
>
>
*Moses, Torsten
Message 8 of 11 (68 Views)

Re:

01-20-2002 08:50 AM in reply to: *Paul
Hi, Paul,

you made it absolutely correct - as you told, it should work ...

There is no real difference between WinME & Win98SE - so it should also work
at your work's place.

May be, both Acads (at your work) share the same Registry key - I have sent
you an email to your private address, please have a look there.

You may try to remove AutoCAD\R15.0 completely from the registry (may be
that there came some erros into) and re-install both Acads again. If they
really share the same Registry key, there is another Registry trick
available to switch between both Acad - I will tell you later if nessecary.

Good luck
Torsten
*Hurley, Shaan
Message 9 of 11 (68 Views)

Re:

01-20-2002 10:03 PM in reply to: *Paul
Torsten and others reading this thread,

Please do not do this. Copying shared files to the application root
directory is not good. You will not be able to properly uninstall, install
service packs, some 3rd party application problems, or inability to upgrade
properly. Circumventing the tested and expected installation environment of
AutoCAD just to get side by side will result in a unstable and problematic
installation. I have seen others try and end up pretty frustrated with a
mess.

Sincerely,

Shaan Hurley
Autodesk, Inc.


"Torsten Moses" wrote in message
news:989AAF02C9C21D8A0E1FFAAEF26EF3B9@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Hi, Paul,
>
> yes, under some circumstances it is possible to have several Acad's
running
> on
> the same machine, even if Autodesk does not support this (and by using
> "...\Shared Files\Autodesk Shared" they make it nearly impossible)
>
> Usually, it seems, that Acad does not include that path "...\Shared
> Files\Autodesk Shared" in their support pathes - Windows searches this
path
> automatically for files, if Acad is correct installed, and this path
> "...\Shared Files\Autodesk Shared" is declared as a standard path for
> windows. But just this detail may not be fullfilled on all machines (see
the
> messages from this tree), so it is always a good idea to add this path
> "...\Shared Files\Autodesk Shared" and also the Acad root path as Acad's
> search pathes under "Options/Files/Support files".
>
> If you follow my tips from the related message (for 2 or more Acad/LT's
> running on same machine), you will not need to add the Autodesk Shared
path
> as search path, because it is empty then -:smileyhappy:
>
> The tips from my other message is working well, but it needs some more
> efforts for installing the Aacd/LT versions and their pathes ... but once
> you are done it works very fine. The problem is only the "Autodesk Shared"
> folder and its files, that share for all Acad/LTs - so the last Acad/LT
> installed "wins the game" ... but usually, older versions (2000, 2000i)
> should work with those "Autodesk Shared" files from 2002, but SHOULD
>
> My method (moving the shared files into the appropriate Acad root) works
> better (except for MAP, this really needs some files from the Shared
> folder - its programmed little bit dirty).
>
> There is only 1 problem :
> Acad2000 and Acad200i (same with LT 2000 & 2000i) uses identically
registry
> keys - this is intended by Autodesk to prevent even running several Acads
> simultaneously !! But only the SAME language version TOGETHER with SAME
> vertical version share the same registry key : if your are using Acad2000
> 'Vanilla' and Acad200i MAP/MDT/LDT etc., they use different keys.
>
> BUT: even if you are using identical Acad in versions 2000 & 2000i, there
is
> another solution to have both versions running simultaneously ... this
trick
> uses Registry files (*.reg) to switch between both versions.
>
> So please tell me exactly which versions you would like to use, and I can
> give you some more details; and I may then tell you the Registry trick in
> all detaisl (it is to much to explain -:smileyhappy:) ...
>
> Best regards, I hope it works well
> Torsten
>
>
>
>
*Moses, Torsten
Message 10 of 11 (68 Views)

Re:

01-20-2002 10:03 PM in reply to: *Paul
Hi, Shaan,

so what shall users do ????

Please remember, I have 5 different Acad's (R14...R2002) and 4 Acad-LTs
(R98...R2002) running Side-By-Side, on Win98SE, WinNT40, Win2000, and WinXP
.... WITHOUT ANY PROBLEMS !!!

Related to ServicePack installation, I have given some advice (re-install
Acad, Install servicePack immediately, then move the files from "Shared..."
to the appropriate Acad/LT root.

It takes you 5 minutes to install Acad & ServicePack again ...
but how long it will take you if you have problems with
multi-Acad-installations ???

As long as Autodesk is not WILLING to support multiple installs, the users
are often FORCED to do so ...
Just as a hint : there are dozens of highly-complex software that CAN be
installed in different versions !
If Autodesk would intend to support multi-Acad-installations, it should be
possible : there are NO technical reasons that prevent
multi-Acad-installations, if Autodesk would agree to support it !

There is absolutely NO reason to use "Autodesk Shared\", the today's disk
size is giant, as you will know. So why using "Autodesk Shared\" ??? AND WHY
IS ACAD USING IDENTICAL REGISTRY KEYS ??? This comes with R200i, this was
never before ! The only reason : to prevent users from using R2000 AND
R2000i !

If Autodesk's programmers need, I'm able to give some assistance, how to
have ALL Acad versions co-existing !! -:smileyhappy:
But I'm sure, they know about .... so the problem of co-existing Acad
versions is a question of AUTODESK MARKETING !!! For my part I CAN NOT
ACCEPT that Autodesk will dictate how to use legally bought Acad versions !

By the way: I'm a developer, that REALLY NEEDS to have
multi-Acad-installations on different OS (in opposite to Autodesk ...)
So give me an advice how to install & use Acad/LT R14....R2002 ?

The same applies to many companies ... what do you think, WHY so many users
are asking ? As long as Autodesk always changes very important program
philosophies with each version (seee *.pcp files and that dilemma !),
commercial users ARE FORCED to have versions simultaneously ....

Another aspekt:
When I buy a full version R2000i and later, a full version of R2002, I can
not use both versions simultaneously ...
THIS IS ILLEGAL UNDER GERMAN & INTERNATIONAL RIGHTS !! I have always only
seen the rights that Autodesk claims for itself .... never seen how Autodesk
saves the users rights !


Altogether:
You may be right, that it takes some special knowledge & experiences to
establish & manage multi-Acad-installations : as long as Autodesk is not
willing to support this, the users will establish this by their own and
share their knowledge (just here -:smileyhappy:)

So please, don't tell the people "You shall not do" .... tell them HOW TO DO
!

Best regards
Torsten Moses

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