What can make this forum as good as it was in the late 90s?

[kris]

This post is borne of a post in the 'tips and trick' thread by @melissa.lax  , posted to a new thread so as not to be too OT.  

The original thread is here: http://forums.autodesk.com/t5/3ds-max-forum/share-your-favorite-tips-tricks-workflows-and-secrets-in...

>So I've heard a lot about the Max forums in the 90's. Please enlighten me, what can we bring back? 

It's a hard thing to say how to bring back that old flavor.  AD's past policies did nothing to help; after AD took over from Kinetix, they totally dumped the forums, three or four times.  All the content and history was lost, and we had to start over again from nothing.  At every reboot, they gave less and less resources to the forum, insofar as moderators or having staff dedicated to participating in it.  Both as a bug channel, and as a learning channel.  When it was Kinetix, the forum was an integral channel to reach the development team.  For many of the AD years, it felt like a total afterthought, a place where AD though it would save a few bucks by letting users deal with some of its support issues.  Speaking for myself, I eventually lost interest, and moved off to other boards, and eventually, stopped altogether as my own business became consuming.

The internet was also a very different place then.  The desire to help was greater, and the community was smaller.   Many of us had met several times in person at Siggraph.  A lot of the folks I used to 'hang' with around here are now senior at big studios, and don't have the time/need/interest to come back.  There were fewer outlets where one could participate ... youtube, as one example, didn't exist yet.  The software itself was young, and each new release was a significant improvement.  (That also died with AD's takover, too.)

What it comes down to, though, is that the owner of the forum needs to be supportive of it.  That means doing, as they have been recently, providing dedicated staff to keep on top of the goings on here, with the customer concerns.  I've said it before, and I'll say it again.  @Alfred.DeFlaminis is doing stunning work here, and is part of the reason I'm being more contributory.  He clearly has the resources (both in time and back end software) to be able to see what he needs to see to help; he has the ability to interface with the dev team, and organize issues.  He can create new bug reports out of posts.  It honestly feels too good to be true.

AD could provide direct incentives to its users.  Swag, perhaps, or any other types of "we appreciate your service to the community" actions that would show, just a little bit, that they do appreciate the fact that some users are helping others. A kudos is only worth something if an individual is missing that in their lives.  If the users taking the time to be here think it's worth while, they will stay, and a new strong community will form.  There are definitely a few folks here doing that already, out of the goodness of their hearts, which is great.   Doesn't hurt to have more, though.  This could also be done with contests, or other end-user oriented promotional activities.

But it also means having a sensible architecture to the forum; right now, it's a bit of a free for all (feels like it, anyway), where navigation ins't as easy as it should be.  Most of the time, I have no idea where I am in the structure of the forum.  AD also really likes making the "user experience" continuous across all its programs.  While that's understandable, some thought should also be paid to making genuine software specific communities.  Granted, there will never be the 'rivalry' between Max and Maya as in the days past, people who use max all of the time seem to have a different mindset than Maya folk, probably due to the different workflows and (typically) industries, which should be celebrated.  I should feel valued, not as a source of income, where the only interaction is to see how to get more money out of me.  But dumping data is never going to be ok.  Just as was done recently from the user voice > ideas.  AD is in the job of software; no reason why data can't be carried, in one way or another.

I may sound pretty upset with AD, and I am.  My post history probably has a few examples of me being very harsh.  I am, however, hopeful and open minded.  Actions speak more than policy statements and press releases.  The less a company does things because it thinks it knows what its users should want/need, and does what its users actually want/need, the better.  (Could be worse.  Just look at Microsoft!)  AD has often done things which were very thoughtful of its shareholders, and while that cannot be ignored, happy users will also make happy shareholders.

Kris.

[melissa.lax]

Hey Kris,

Thanks for taking the initiative to create this thread and gather feedback on this topic. Constructive feedback, like this, is always appreciated as it helps us deliver on your needs/wants quicker and with more precision. I definitely agree with you about @Alfred.DeFlaminis, I'm really proud to be his colleague and feel fortunate I can continually learn from him. In the spirit of 90's nostalgia, curious to know what your 90's working in Max playlist sounded like? Smashing Pumpkins? Red Hot Chili Peppers? A Tribe Called Quest? 

Cheers,

Melissa

[kris]

@melissa.lax Metallica, Guns&Roses, etc... a lot of that still finds its way into the rotation, of course.   Never been much for alternative and such.

[Alfred.DeFlaminis]

Hello @kris,

Thank you very much for the kind words and for making this post.  You and @melissa.lax both said some very nice things and I am humbled by the attention.  Thank you both.  If anything I am learning from Melissa in a great number of ways.  I am blessed to have such supportive people on the forums in which to learn and grow from. 

Kris I do think you have some valid points about the need to regrow the community into a place where people not only learn from one another, but can rely on one another and form personal relationships.  I'm not sure how to re-seed the vibe that was going on in the forums in the 90's.  I'd like to change it and I do think the tide is slowly turning.  

I've been making some efforts to do pro active posts to try to regain some of that spirit.  I have had a few posts that fell flat in this vein, but some of them are still going strong.  I think that the forums were silent for so long that this can't possibly happen overnight but I'll do anything in my power to restore things.  I'm by no means a master of community building, so I'm bound to make a mistake or two along the way but I appreciate any feedback you or anyone else has to offer.  Sometimes it's important to express your frustrations and worries because the severity of how things affect people are not always immediately apparent and without those posts I may never know about it.   I will continue to work at this.   Kris, I have forwarded this thread up the chain so the KDE and community leadership are aware of your thoughts and feelings, thank you for posting about it.

My 90's playlist mostly was comprised of Metallica, Pogues, NOFX, Alice in Chains, Faith No More, Beastie Boys, Hendrix, Zep, and Nine Inch Nails.  And some Tribe Called Quest, Das Efx, Fu-Schnickens for lighter moods.  This makes me want to go listen to some of them again, it's been a while.  

Best Regards,

[kris]

@Alfred.DeFlaminis  The biggest factor here is time.  The more time that the forum is a place of goodness, the more people will stay and interact.  The more they interact, the better the community becomes.  You just have to keep doing what you're doing, and it will come around, for the most part.

Having a 'take 5' area would help.  There's nowhere in the current board for users to talk about OT things.  Generally speaking, the entire structure of the max board itself is immensely stripped down from what it was before, so you end up with a lot of posts going on that push content off the first page within hours.  Makes it feel overwhelming.

Kris.

[-niels-]

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@Anonymous wrote:

Having a 'take 5' area would help.  There's nowhere in the current board for users to talk about OT things.

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There's "The break room", which may not be in the Area section but still part of the autodesk forums.

Admitted, you do kinda need to know it exists... but posting it here will help a little with that as well.

[kris]

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@-niels- wrote:

There's "The break room", which may not be in the Area section but still part of the autodesk forums.

Admitted, you do kinda need to know it exists... but posting it here will help a little with that as well.

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Yeah, didn't know it existed. 

All well and good of AD want's to separate it off, but the navigation of the site becomes paramount.  Right now it's a kludge of a mess - I will not, ever, go up to the top level of the hierarchy ... The harder it is (more clicks) to find out interesting topics, the less likely it is that I will bother to look. 

To the point of this thread, though, it's hard to create 'off topic community' in the context of the max forum if the chat is across the full breadth of AD.  

In the break room forum, this was written:

"In an effort to create a better customer experience and provide maximum visibility for new questions and existing answers, we will  be moving all posts from the AREA Off Topics forum into The Break Room"

It's all in the execution.  OT, as part of a page with 98 other options does not add any visibility whatever.  You could do both, if that was so required... have an OT link both at the top level AND at the software-specific level.  And while I have no doubt I have things in common with people using AutoCAD for Mac, or Structural Bridge Design, they aren't really part of my 'community' in the traditional sense.

Kris.

Kris.

[kris]

Just to hit home what I mean by navigation - right now, after I read a post, if I want to go to 'modeling', I have to scroll all the way to the top of the page, pick "3dsmax", then load another page, and select "3ds max modeling" and load another page.  Older forum formats with the pane on the side, where such navigation was implicit, and one click away, worked much more easily.  Navigating wasn't a chore.

Just like the UI issues described here, is an attempt to be fashion over function.  If you can't have both, have function every time, please!  (And if someone decides to change the forum structure, don't delete all the old data!!!)

Kris.

[Alfred.DeFlaminis]

Hello @kris,

I think you make some salient points here.  I'll send this thread to my superiors and see what can be done about a Take 5 section on the Max forums.  I've seen this work well on the Vray forums and it does seem to help bind the community together.   As far as updating navigation, that might be a bit trickier in the short term but I'll bring it up in the next forum team meeting next week.  I really appreciate the time you've taken here to share your feedback. 

Best Regards,

[Siobhan_F]

Hi @kris and anyone else interested in chiming in to make this forum more collaborative, effective, and fun,

AJ did just as he said he would and brought this thread to some more people's attention.

You brought up a number of different points that are interesting:

1) In person: You talk about the idea of meeting people face to face. I couldn't agree with you more on how important it is. Is there a common conference that people in this community go to today? Autodesk University? Siggraph?  

2) Forum Navigation:  We know that we have room for improvement with forum navigation and really like to get the good, the bad, and the ugly.  The great thing about this community is that it brings everyone together in one place. The challenge is that there are a whole lot of folks we need to appeal to using a whole lot of products. Personally, I like the least number of boards possible, but others in the community prefer more so that the conversation is more relevant to them. Please know that there is more work being done on the look and feel of this community. Continue to let us know what you think. These comments are read and feedback from people like you is powerful in the halls of Autodesk.

3) Investment: I agree that in order to have a healthy community, Autodesk needs to actively participate. Part of that investment is hiring AJ. But there is more we need to do to have a diverse group of people within the company contribute. I just launched an internal program aimed at bringing more employees into the Forums: People like @ads_royje. Attracting the best and the brightest within Autodesk to contribute is just goodness for the community.

Please keep the conversation coming.

Best,

Siobhan

Social Media and Community at Autodesk 

[kris]

@Siobhan_F  Pleasure to see you here.

1)  Honestly, I don't really go to graphics conferences any more.  In the early 2000s, they were seriously exciting.  Over the years, they've become less and less so.  There used to be a lot of parties, swag, get togethers.  The last Siggraph I went to was 2011, and, well, I was so excited, I didn't even go to Vancouver (which would have been a lot cheaper than California).  I'd much rather go to E3. I also live in a relatively remote location; I'd say all is lost for me, however the get together is defined.

That said, Autodesk could have 'user get togethers' once a year in a few major centers (NYC, Toronto, LA), so at least some folks could get together.  Maybe rent part of a restaurant for an evening, or something like that.  Where the major events do occur (like Siggraph), make sure you have an actual forum party (even if low key), and make sure to send AJ.  He'll need the trip for all the hours he's logging on a screen here. 😉  You might colocate it with another event, and have some learning opportunities thrown in, so it can be a justifiable business expense for those of us who would have to travel.

2) There are advantages to being in a group, but that only works if people go into the common places.  The "break room" is dead, for all intents and purposes.  I looked there, and there was nothing that inspired, and very little traffic.  As I said before, you can have your cake and eat it too; there's no reason why you can't do things to promote going there... but navigation will still be key.  This UI has within it areas where you can add such things.  I almost never use the toolbox, but that's one option.  A "x posts new in the break room" in the sidebar would at least be a half measure.

The problem is that Autodesk has gone from being "AutoCAD" to one of the largest software companies in the world.  That means that your overall user base probably covers at least a half of the people who use a computer for technical tasks.  That means a lot of very different people; communities form around commonalities.  You can't say to the whole world: you're a community, get together.  It won't work.  (Clearly, it works less in some places than others.)  People gravitate to each other based on things they do have in common, and forge friendships from there.  The more pervasive that commonality is (like the software you use every day to make a living), the stronger the effect.

When you try to aggregate the whole, it really feels like "we know what's best" scenario, which is not exactly what you seem to be going for.  Data bandwidth, hard drive space, and digital rooms are all cheap to implement.  Even if the marketing managers want everything to be glazed with the same dull exterior...

3)  Yes, AJ was a stellar move on your part.  The attitude that supports him is, perhaps, even more so.  The more AD starts thinking about their customers as valued members of their community, the better we will be.  As I said in another post, Carl Bass really does seem to have the right approach to all of this (based on everything I've seen/heard/read about him).  He seems like "my kind of guy", and, up until recently, that has seem completely and utterly disconnected from the part of AD I have interfaced with over the last ~20 years.  I do, however, appreciate that AD is a mega billion dollar battleship that is hard to move... so it might just be a function of time for the culture to filter down.

On the whole, I do think there are ways that AD can do things that will benefit its entire community, while at the same time providing value added marketing opportunities:

For example, AD could easily run a contest, once a year, where entrants can win a trip to the AD center of their choice, (San Rafael, Montreal, whatever), and spend a day with Mr. Bass.  Maybe spend a day with him in the AD makerspace.  Shoot a video/piece of the end user interacting with him, talking about AD, it's products and its future (to the extent you can re:shareholder rules).  They could spend time with Gurus in various packages.  Makes the whole thing a marketing tool and results in a product that I, for one, would be really interested in watching, and shows that Mr. Bass & AD want to have those types of interactions.  (BTW, I volunteer!)

You could have "win your subscription" based on participation in the forums; maybe the number of kudos and solutions in a given year, take the top 50, and choose randomly from them to win their sub, or a partial credit.  If the sub is owned by a corporation (not the user chosen), then some other award, or a new personal license or a gift card.  I would do that on a per-software package basis.

Similarly, you could have a "forum member of the month", or bimonthly, where you write a little article (posted on the forum, and on the main AD site) about a member that is participatory at a high level; their work, their interests, why they spend the time they do on the forum.  They can also be recognized, maybe, with a gift certificate to a restaurant of their choice.  That way, the folks here like @-niels-, @darawork and others can be recognized for the significant time investment they've put in.  Clearly not necessary, but it would go a long way to show the culture change.

I could go on, but I don't want to bore anyone excessively. 😉

Kris.

[Alfred.DeFlaminis]

Hello @kris,

That's a very interesting post, and thanks for taking the time to share those thoughts, there are some interesting ideas in there.  Part of my role in the forums is to report the overall vibe and things like this to @Siobhan_F and others, and she is the person who interviewed me, has helped me understand how to make more proactive posts (like the tips, tricks, secrets threads), and is directly responsible for the inroads made here in the forums to enhance the community.  And I think @melissa.lax is doing some great work too on building this into a community with the challenges, training videos, and more stuff I can't reveal yet. 

Many of these things are bigger than me so I can't comment much, but I think that @melissa.lax is currently on a path that is very similar to what you are mentioning about the 'forum member of the month'.  She's been working hard to setup some challenges and things which would showcase the winner and provide more recognition to those winners of the contests.  It's not exactly what you are discussing but it's headed in that direction and things evolve over time.  So I think that even behind the scenes there is a move toward some of these ideas although the implementations are bound to be a bit different.  

I'm in here every day and very visible but behind the scenes Siobhan, Melissa, Dominique, Jon Bell,  Mark, Camilo, Tarek, Jean-Thierry, and countless others are discussing these types of things and the amount of work I see them put into improving the support, product, community, processes, and learning is truly inspiring from my point of view as a Max customer as well.  (Have been since v7 and going strong...)  Your feedback only helps the conversations as well.  

I have to say @kris that your forum activity lately has been really great.  I notice all the help you give to others as well as all the well constructed posts and clearly pensive thoughts about what was and what could be.  You are proof that things are headed in the right direction, and I highly value your input, your participation, and your willingness to spend the time to give this sort of feedback.  Thank you.  

Best Regards,

[kris]

Thanks, @Alfred.DeFlaminis .   Appreciate the nod.  I'm not in the middle of a job right now, so it's a bit easier to be contributory.  I'm sure it will ebb and flow.

Jon Bell would certainly have an idea what things were like back then, since he was here.  (Respect, Jon!)

Also Kudos to @melissa.lax, her efforts aren't unnoticed.

Change doesn't always need paradigm shifts.  Sometimes, it's more than adequate to have a change of attitude, and the rest will come on its own...

Kris.

[melissa.lax]

Hey Kris,

This thread is ALL you, thanks for taking the time and heaps of effort to give us your constructive feedback.

With all @Alfred.DeFlaminis @Anonymous @ads_royje our energies put forward, I can't wait to see what this forum will look like in the near future.

Best,

Melissa 

[Anonymous]

Just saw this while working my way through the Tips & Tricks post.

I certainly remember this forum in the late 90's. Like Kris, I'm self-taught, but only since 2.5. The Kinetix and Discreet versions of the forums were a daily source of inspiration, techniques, and helpful guidance. The subcategories were extremely useful, and I would definitely vote to bring those back. If I remember right, there were dedicated ones for Hardware, Modifiers, Plug-ins, etc. As a visitor with a question, I could immediately drill down to my specific problem area to find solutions.

Another thing I personally thought was a detriment to these forums was the dropped requirement of using real names. I understand people like to use "handles" and "online personas", but real names not only kept the community professional, it also made people more recognizable. When going to conferences or watching talks online, it helps to know the person on stage is also very active in the online community. 

I have to agree with Kris about the monthly contests. What better way to highlight your users than to surface their best work? Why let outside websites like CG Society and 3D Total court your users? Offer something back to the users paying you subscription fees and reward product loyalty. Autodesk's benefit: incredible art showcased as "Made With Autodesk".

I also seem to remember more of the Max developers would interact with users through the forums. Who better to learn from than the people who are making the software?

Thanks to those at Autodesk that care and are doing their part to let the users know we're not forgotten. I for one look forward to positive changes. Listening without follow-through is certain to elicit the attitude so prevalent in the "where are my new features for 2018?" posts.

Chris

[photodave]

I just stumbled across this thread as well from the Tips & Tricks post. Like the other two (sorry Im not sure how the whole @ tag thing works yet)  I am a mostly self taught "old boy" that loves to learn new things and help others when I can, and used to be very active in the 90's and most of the early 2000's on the Kinetics/Discreet boards and early "Area" but that all seemed to go sideways shortly after AD bought Max and "The Area" was born. I was also highly disappointed watching AD delete all the old forum data as there was a massive wealth of experience and information in there. To me anyway it became quickly uncomfortable and unfriendly really to a point to participate in it and inside of about 8 or so months I think I drifted off and almost never came back in the past 6 or 7 years until recently when I ran in to a major problem I can fix and trying every avenue to find a result. But that is for another thread. Alfred had mentioned that he visits/visited the V-Ray forum and I think that's great and that is one forum that you should strongly look at as it flows with the users very well, the Chaos guys are always there to lend a hand along with everyone else and the different channels that they have work very well.

Its nice to see that AD it taking an honest interest for now in the forum and its users and I do hope that it does go back to somewhere that we can get help with problems while helping others and by the sounds of it be challenged in the odd contest.

I did agree strongly about the take-5/general area, I had no idea that anything like that existed still but at the same time will prob avoid for the most part as mentioned above I think we need at the least a 3dsmax-Take5 or Max/Maya room for those of us that have an professional commonality and to stay in touch with old friends. On top of that I agree that more specific channels like we used to have would be more beneficial and easier to navigate.

Lastly on the navigation I also agree that its difficult to get around in the threads, every time I click a link I open it in a new tab so I can get back to where I was easier, rather than dealing with the cumbersome and seemingly very slow UI.

There were a LOT of great points brought up and there are none I can disagree with or add to but I will post again if there is anything. In the mean time my interest in here has been sparked again and if I stay remains to be seen but so far it is starting to look like its moving in a positive direction.

-dave

[bob.bernstein]

ok, I'll share the view from one of the new folks, been using max since ver 9, but fairly new to the forums.  I'm also an old fart, so I have some perspective.  

To start, any time I see or hear a phrase like:  

"In an effort to create a better customer experience and provide maximum visibility for new questions and existing answers, we will  be moving all posts from the AREA Off Topics forum into The Break Room"

.....what I hear is:

"In an effort to appear customer focused while making the changes our bosses are demanding, we will be taking the following steps that customers will dislike"

Think about it....the only time you would even bother with corporate speak is if you think you look "professional" while serving sh*t sandwiches.  Corporate speak aficionados must think using language this way is the great separator between the Haves and Have-nots, but its really the great separator between honesty and flimflam.   

When I make changes, I either make them with simply an "alert" to the change, or I advise my customers that I'm considering a change and look for feedback.  Corporate speak format is intended to send the message that "wise men with long beards have studied the situation exhaustively, and reached conclusions far wiser than you ever will, and thusly we bestow upon you unwashed masses the marvelous conclusion.  Resistance is futile"

Let me climb off that darn box for my closing point.  

Having never experienced the 90's forums, and having been the great beneficiary of the current forum experts we have at the moment, I only have a few small issues for improvement outside of firewalls strong enough to keep the corporate speaking fascists from entering my consciousness.  One was the thought from Kris, to have a nav panel so I could go right from max forum to max modeling forum would be awesome.  The forums load a little slowly and to be navigating directly would help.  

The other would be to allow better policing of spammers.  Thank the heavens that the "secret meetings" were successful at removing the constant advertising of Black Parasite.  The forum is so much better now.  But it shouldn't have taken outright protest and a little bit of public misbehavior on my otherwise "staid" personality to achieve the needed result.

Final note:  sometimes when things don't seem as good as they "used" to, the thing that changed the most was me!  

[Anonymous]

Forum tree / jump box with pins must be added.

It must work faster, some pages loading time is about 10 sec.

A forum version without huge AD header, banners. Add a fast access on a page side to an answered discussions with ability to choose priority - which branch is prefered to show on top. Ability to pin or remove.

Show featured / best ideasas a banner.

Separate discussion in every idea - common comments and good/selected from them, which can help enchancing the idea.

When multiple popular ideas fits in a sub category (example: 3rd party poly modeling sctipts > into max native tools), group them all. Add there a discussion about pipeline / interface. Invite users to discuss and make their propositions. May be paying some $ for a good idea / it's enchancements is a way to stimulate participation.

The key in sorting/enchancing ideas before it's integration into max must be unification, fast access within inner pipelines. For some of them - an integration with 3dr party techologies/software

Harware, software and pipelines are changing fast, max users are waiting years for a connectors, scripts, native integration, until its all becomes completely obsolete (while other software has it). A short  way from ideas / scripts to it's bugless integration should be a priority in designing software parts or even in overall concept of developement - making it work without buggig whole max.

[Alfred.DeFlaminis]

Hello @photodave and @bob.bernstein,

You both raise some good points.  What you think would be good steps in rebuilding the community? I was talking with Siobhan about the concerns here and there were a couple ideas that I wanted to float by you.  First, we have Siggraph coming up soon and it may be possible to get some of the people from this thread who will be attending some face time with Autodesk employees to chat and discuss interests and issues or just hang out.  Would any of you be interested in that?   (I realize not everyone goes to those events.)

The tips and tricks thread ended up being far more successful that I had ever hoped.  At the end of the day it's you all that make up the community and help shape it.  There are so many great nuggets of wisdom in there that I think it would be really cool to break out one of them a week into a solo thread for a deeper look at the contents and to recognize the contributions the posts have made to this community.  I'm going to start this week. 

A take 5 area for Max or M&E as a whole would be great, and I do spend a lot of time on other forums as you've noted.   Often they are more than just a place to take a break or blow off steam, but instead a place for people to share ideas that aren't immediately related to technical support or problems.  I am going to bring this up again in our next team meeting which is early next week.  I also agree that the forums loading can be slow sometimes, but the overall traffic this site gets is mind boggling and I think it's just a lot of data getting served.  I'll bring up the navigation panel idea by Bob as well, though I can't promise anything.  @Anonymous I will also send your thoughts along as well.  

@Anonymous had some very interesting thoughts in his post as well and contests are something we should keep doing as we move forward.  Those have all been organized by the tireless @melissa.lax, and I am really grateful for her time on these forums.  She's awesome, such a nice person and cares so much about the community.  

@bob.bernstein your post made me chuckle.  I don't think the intention was to serve you sandwiches or assimilate you into the Borg.  Regarding the spammer issue, my perception of that situation was someone who was trying to self promote but didn't have a lot of experience at it.  I took your concerns to the team during team meetings and brought the issue up on your behalf and it does look like it was dealt with.  I think some folks think I'm a moderator in the forums but I'm not.  I don't have to power to ban someone or delete posts, etc.  I think it's good that there is a separation of responsibility there, I'd rather be a friend to you all than a cop.  

Your final note could be in a book of quotes.  There is a lot of wisdom in that statement.  Thank you all for your great feedback here.

Best Regards,

[melissa.lax]

@Alfred.DeFlaminis right back at you 🙂

Hi everyone, 

We've tried our best to invigorate the community based on what we understand. Now let's flip that, its what we "perceive" we understand. Therefore, we call on you to spell it out plainly & clearly so we can make the changes you truly need & want. You'd like something to change? Seen something elsewhere you'd like us to incorporate? it's your forum so we encourage you to take ownership and help us get it back to the 90's. Funny enough, I'm listening to a 90's playlist as we speak ;p. Feel free to send me a private message and we can ideate over email or Skype call.

Best,

Melissa