hi, the reason I'm here is to complain about the new layer manager.
don't get me wrong, I love the idea of a layer manager that supports nested layers, and I always used plugins for that, so I got really excited with the new manager.
but I'm complaining about how poorly made it was, clearly no effort was put into it, I don't understand the reasons it was released like this.
but don't take me wrong, this isn't a rage thread, I want to point some (many) things that are bothering me, to see if there are any workarounds, solutions, if this is happening to everyone, because sure they look like bugs, or even if it's me who doesn't quite get that tool.
1.layers disappear when I open some scenes. doesn't happen to all of them, but some, like half of them. when I open the file, layer manager is empty, doesn't even have the default layer. I have to refresh it's window somehow, like switching to hierarchy view and back to layers.
2.right click doesn't do the trick. say you right click a layer to open it's context menu, and rename, delete, do whatever you want to that layer. it won't work, it will open the menu as if you right clicked an empty space in the manager. in order to do so, you have to left click a layer to select it, and then right click. you may say it's intentional, but it's not very intuitive, and really pointless, so probably a bug.
3.no keyboard shortcuts. simple as that, you can't copy, paste, even though I'm not sure why you would want to copy a layer, but still, delete won't work aswell, and that I caught myself trying to delete layer through the keyboard many times.
4.renaming the layer will rename every single item on it. well, this doesn't happen all the time, but sometimes, when I select a layer, it selects all objects it contains, and I couldn't unselect them, except by selecting another layer, and that would select it's own items aswell. sometimes it doesn't happen, maybe if you refresh, I don't know, but it gets annoying.
5.freezes. from time to time I'm managing layers, creating new ones, renaming, moving, etc, and max freezes. for like 15-30 seconds. there's no specific reason, but apparently it just freezes as you're using it.
6.after renaming a layer, clicking another layer will expand it. since I installed max 2015, I've been doing a lot of layer management, as you might guess. and this was frustrating as I was mass renaming layers in one scene, and right after I renamed a layer, I clicked another one to rename it aswell, and it instantly expanded a layer containing a hundred items or so, every time.
7.undo. one of the few keyboards shortcuts that works in the layer manager, but not quite. if you rename a layer, and then press undo, it won't go back to the name it was before, but it will undo another action. apparently undoing doesn't affect layer naming. it does affect object naming though, since you will end up physically renaming the object itself.
8.moving objects through layers. when you try dragging an object from one layer to another, a yellow straight arrow appears, and if you drag a little more, a blue curved upwards (or downwards sometimes) arrow will show up. you would guess the yellow arrow is to move that object directly to the layer you're pointing, and the up arrow would move the object one nest level up. but both blue arrows do exactly the same thing as the yellow, they move your selected object to the layer you're pointing. if you put an object on top of another one, arrows still appear, but releasing the button won't drop it into that object's layer, it will do nothing.
9.moving objects again. happens only sometimes also. when I select multiple objects, then I click on top of one of them and drag to move to a different layer, if I click on the first object I selected to drag, it will only move the first one, even though all of them are selected.
I could even point some ui bugs, like column arrangement, resizing, etc, but I'll just focus on those.
10.focus loss. if I click on an object rather than a layer, the highlight becomes gray, rather than blue, and mouse wheel scrolling stops working. I have to middle click inside the layer manager so it gets focus again, making scrolling to work again, highlight becomes blue, etc. but every time i click an object, that happens. focus goes to the modifier panel
Looks like a great list for improvements:
Don't know if there'S already an entry over at the uservoice for layer manager improvements/small annoying thing. If not, i think creating one would be good, or adding to some existing entry in the other case...
Outliner seems to work without problems in the 2015 trial, can't see why anyone in their right mind would want to switch to the AD method.
Judging by recent feedback it's primitive, unfinished, and unusable, turning down Pier Janssen's offer of help in layer management development seems to have been a bad move, no surprises there.
Waiting on Outliner 3.0.
Some of the problems here, is because of the menu option "Select / select children"
e.g.: renaming: If "select children" is on, than the objects in a layer are selected by clicking on the layer. So Layer+objects will be renamed.
But this is not what the user expected and should be changed, isn't it?
There's nothing you can do but laugh now! Just another example of Autodesk "improving" something by removing crucial functionality.
Based on the number of updates in Max nowadays I'd guess there are about two programmers left on the Max team.
I have problem with #2 . And mine is even worse.
When right click on layer I get options as if I clicked on empty space there. Even if I left click on layer first and then right click.
I can not delete layer!
Can someone suggest any solution? I have would like to use Outliner in 3dsmax 2014 but it somehow got bugged after I docked it on left side and is not showing anymore...
#18. When merge from file to file, we loose all layer's hierarchie. Empty layers are deleted, but it's fine. But when layer2 is children of layer1, after a merge layer won't have a parent.
=merge all=>
Layer Explorer could have been a such powerfull update witch has been transformed into an unproductive one.
-pingus-
Not being funny Steve, but how many versions of 3dsmax are required to fix these issues? Seriously? The new layer manadgement is a compleatr cockup and you know it!
But hey, we get a new Extension pack... Why should we look into the past...
Hey while we're at it, I'd like to add a suggestion: DON'T USE Ctrl-C to select children!!! When I'm renaming a few layers, it's a workflow enhancement to add a prefix like ENV_ to the front of a bunch of layers. SO: I type in ENV_, select it and copy it so I can quickly add the prefix to more layers. Except I can't do it any more...because Ctl-C means select children and it will do the crazy renaming of everybody on the layer....PLEASE fix this.
Hi
Got a problem similar to 1.
I have some layers that are not appearing on the list and objects not appearing in the layers.
The scene was originally 2014, I have tried moving all object to a new layer and merging to a new scene to no relief.
Not sure if I have missed something or it is a bug, either way very frustratinig and impacting on my work flow.
Any suggestions are welcome
Thanks
Maybe the same as: http://forums.autodesk.com/t5/3ds-max-3ds-max-design-general/max-2016-objects-not-visible-in-layer-m... ?
I have add a smal maxscript there to move objects to a new layer.
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