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2023 crash and crashing in general

JasonLuckett
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2023 crash and crashing in general

JasonLuckett
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Morning Guys,

 

I wonder if anyone else gets slightly random crashes when opening a file? Now this file has been pruned of anim layers and all the other usual junk, also it's been imported three times into blank files with no problems. The file is 376 MB, some forest pack, some AXYZ static posed, some rail clone and I mean some, not a lot. Using Vray 6.00.30 and Max 2023.3, rolled back Nvidia drivers to Vray approved, etc.

 

Now sometimes this file opens and sometimes it doesn't, go figure!  When it doesn't I get the joy of being forced to send the report log to Autodesk, what actually happens with this, I'm guessing they get ten's of thousands of these per day?

 

If any Autodesk guys read this then this is the Report ID number 336629349.

 

I would love to find out the problem here.

 

Many thanks as always,

 

Jason 🙂

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darawork
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Hi,

 

Do you have a Wacom Tablet?

https://knowledge.autodesk.com/support/3ds-max/troubleshooting/caas/sfdcarticles/sfdcarticles/Applic...

This seems to be the latest flavour of the month responsible for 3DSMax crashing.

Regards,

Darawork
AutoDesk User
Windows 10/11, 3DS Max 2022/24, Revit 2022, AutoCad 2024, Dell Precision 5810/20, ASUS DIY, nVidia Quadro P5000/RTX 5000/GTX760

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JasonLuckett
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No tablets, standard keyboard and mouse, I'm pretty sure it's file related but somewhat random, hence hoping the report number may get picked up on.

 

Thanks,

 

Jason

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JasonLuckett
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Love how slow the Autodesk guys respond to our questions, I mean 6 days already, only on the 2nd page so hardly dropped down too far. At the most it would take one guy to clear the first couple of pages in a day...at least answer them and look like they've read them...

 

If you post something on the CHAOS VRAY forums, by the end of the day or overnight one of their very helpful online team will have a concise answer.

 

Kind regards,

 

Jason

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CAMedeck
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Jason, the forums here are largely peer-to-peer forums.  Although employees of Autodesk do spend time looking through the posts, they may not have an answer for everyone.  

 

I've also experienced frequent crashes with certain files.  One in particular was a large scene with imported Revit geometry, a RailClone curb, some Forest Pack grass, and rendered with V-Ray.  Since this project was moving on to the next phase, I wanted to start working in Max 2023 and V-Ray 6 (since we'd just installed those recently).  After opening the Max 2022 file in 2023, I updated the Revit link and tried to render.  It crashed.  After several attempts to fix, I found that removing all FPP and RC content allowed it to render.  Adding it back in would again cause a crash.

 

Then I discovered that when I updated the link (or maybe completely relinked Revit, now I'm not sure) all of the light objects in Revit imported into my scene.  Almost 500 Photometric Lights were now in there, but because I had lights hidden globally I did not see them.  After deleting all of those light objects, I was able to recreate my grass and curbs and render just fine.

 

I've also had issues with other scenes that ended up being a piece of corrupt geometry that needed rebuilding.  Most often, this happens with imported objects or heavily edited objects with many modifiers active in the stack.

 

Frequent crashes are a pain, and in some cases affect deadlines.  We've all been there, and understand your frustration.  But figuring out why one particular scene crashes can be time consuming, and maybe even impossible.  Especially if it is not consistently crashing.

 

Is there any chance you can share the file with us to see if anyone here can reproduce the crashing behavior?

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JasonLuckett
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Thanks @CAMedeck , I appreciate the forums are as you say largely peer-to-peer, as they are on Vray, still on there we get a lot of input from their guys, also as mentioned, a response within a day at latest.

 

I completely understand there can be a problem with the myriad of imported geometry and plugins, trust me I have many years of importing, re-importing, merging and the usual methodology.

 

My simple issue is you are forced rather annoyingly to submit a report to essentially an Autodesk trash can, no-one and I mean no-one every follows this up.

 

As it stands all my resources and models will go through a cleanup process before bringing into my scene.

 

The thing is with this issue it's random and so happens once a day at most, most of the time the file is ok to load, go figure !

 

Thanks for your help btw.

 

Jason

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phani_gurram
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Mu system also crasing after starting render .

Any render formatted system .

Windows up to date .

Bios uptodate. 

3dsmax up to date 

Drivers up to date .

Opening 3dsmax hit render button . 

It just crashes.

(Render arnold crasing ).

But vray benchmark working fine .

 

 

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