topic How much RAM? in Visual LISP, AutoLISP and General Customization Forum

How much RAM?

john.uhden — Mon, 02 Nov 2020 15:40:43 GMT

I finally have to upgrade my 2010 Dell I-7 laptop to Windows 10, but I also want to really be able to run Civil 3D 2020. With my current 4Gb of RAM, it's next to impossible. How much RAM should I have? Of course it may be that my motherboard won't take much more in which case I'll have to replace the machine. I dunno. That's why I'm asking.

Re: How much RAM?

rkmcswain — Mon, 02 Nov 2020 15:46:48 GMT

Our "typical" CAD PC, for running C3D, has either 16GB or 32GB, depending on when it was ordered. Are you saying the PC is a 2010 model? If so, you're going to benefit much more from an upgraded MB and Processor than you will with more RAM on that old equipment. Look for a processor in your price range with the highest single thread rating.

Re: How much RAM?

braudpat — Mon, 02 Nov 2020 18:33:45 GMT

Hello @john.uhden

+1 with @rkmcswain

16 Gb is a minimum ! And maybe 32 Gb for large / huge projects ...

Then the FASTEST possible Core i3/i5/i7/i9 with 4 Cores (or 6 Cores today) !?

THE HEALTH (Stay Safe, Stay Home, Stay Live), Regards, Patrice (The Retired Old French EE Froggy)

Re: How much RAM?

ronjonp — Mon, 02 Nov 2020 21:40:22 GMT

I would not invest anymore money in a 10 year old laptop. If you have the resources buy a new laptop 🙂

Re: How much RAM?

john.uhden — Mon, 02 Nov 2020 22:21:18 GMT

@rkmcswain

@braudpat

@ronjonp

All you guys a great for contributing your advice. Many thanks!

Now it's a matter of budget, which is diminutive. There's the $500 variety and the $1,300 variety from Dell. the latter being all this crap below from some apparently Scottish fellow. I have a feeling it would be better to spend the $500 on a replacement than tune up my current Model T, but that I should better spend the $1,300 to be certain that C3D can run. Hmmm, maybe I can buy it on time. That would be only like $120/month, right? I mean I can always push my dying car to work; it's only 10 miles one way.

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Re: How much RAM?

Kent1Cooper — Mon, 02 Nov 2020 22:38:36 GMT

[Not a Customization question. Should this be in the regular AutoCAD Forum? Maybe in Installation (& Licensing, but that side wouldn't be relevant)?]

Re: How much RAM?

john.uhden — Mon, 02 Nov 2020 22:51:20 GMT

You are probably right, as usual. But I like to ask questions of the smart
people I know.

Re: How much RAM?

Sea-Haven — Tue, 03 Nov 2020 01:38:01 GMT

I have laptop, I7 8750, 16GB ram, Nvidia GTX 1050, 128 ssd & 1Tb disk the 128ssd holds system files programs Autocad etc and I nearly ran out the other day of room cleaned up etc put stuff on D drive which has projects but is like 30Gb total, the reason to mention this is a 512 SSD should be ok for some time.

Oh yeah runs CIV3d ok. Opened cloud projects etc like 200mb las files.

Re: How much RAM?

hak_vz — Tue, 03 Nov 2020 07:50:59 GMT

@john.uhden It is definitively true that your 2010 laptop is not suitable for further upgrades.

I would suggest you something a bit different. Instead of buying new "gaming laptop" that has some features suitable for CAD users, I would go for a mobile workstation models (if you really need a laptop) . They are expensive but there is a catch, why not try REFURBISHED MODELS sold directly from producers with extended guaranty.

Here are Dell precision models There are also HP and Lenovo models

Re: How much RAM?

pbejse — Tue, 03 Nov 2020 08:56:59 GMT

Just finish setting this up

Fundraising for the people and causes you care about.

It's the least we can do for you @john.uhden

Re: How much RAM?

braudpat — Tue, 03 Nov 2020 10:53:09 GMT

Hello @john.uhden

You are on the Left or on the Right ?

THE HEALTH, Regards, Patrice

Re: How much RAM?

john.uhden — Tue, 03 Nov 2020 16:15:19 GMT

What are you talking about? It's not like I'm homeless and starving. In
fact I'm overweight and have a beautiful house and property.

Re: How much RAM?

john.uhden — Tue, 03 Nov 2020 16:22:20 GMT

A "mobile workstation" sounds like a drafting table on a trailer, but they
look pretty good. Thanks for the advice!

Re: How much RAM?

ronjonp — Tue, 03 Nov 2020 16:41:13 GMT

@hak_vz wrote:
@john.uhden It is definitively true that your 2010 laptop is not suitable for further upgrades.

I would suggest you something a bit different. Instead of buying new "gaming laptop" that has some features suitable for CAD users, I would go for a mobile workstation models (if you really need a laptop) . They are expensive but there is a catch, why not try REFURBISHED MODELS sold directly from producers with extended guaranty.
Here are Dell precision models There are also HP and Lenovo models

I use to buy Dell Precision work stations until I started building my own computers (desktops). The Dell's are definitely well built and last a long time but I've gotten much better bang for my buck as well as performance with overclocked I7's and speedy NVME drives. Disclaimer ( I only work in 2D ). 🍻

Re: How much RAM?

hak_vz — Tue, 03 Nov 2020 16:46:12 GMT

@john.uhden wrote:
A "mobile workstation" sounds like a drafting table on a trailer, but they
look pretty good. Thanks for the advice!

Yes it is.

I've recently changed my old computer, because it was final time to get rid off Windows XP.

Since money is always a problem, option was to buy new computer with average specs, or three-four years old

one with top performance for that period, factory refurbished and affordable price.

So at the end I manage to get strong system (HP Z series fact refurbished) with Quadro graphics and top notch monitor (EIZO) for half the money I was willing to spend. I only added fast NVME SSD as primary boot disk and software running platform.

Re: How much RAM?

hak_vz — Tue, 03 Nov 2020 16:54:28 GMT

@ronjonp

I use to buy Dell Precision work stations until I started building my own computers (desktops). The Dell's are definitely well built and last a long time but I've gotten much better bang for my buck as well as performance with overclocked I7's and speedy NVME drives. Disclaimer ( I only work in 2D ). 🍻

My last computer is my first "brand name". Before that I would always build up my systems.

Re: How much RAM?

ronjonp — Tue, 03 Nov 2020 16:59:15 GMT

@hak_vz wrote:
@ronjonp
I use to buy Dell Precision work stations until I started building my own computers (desktops). The Dell's are definitely well built and last a long time but I've gotten much better bang for my buck as well as performance with overclocked I7's and speedy NVME drives. Disclaimer ( I only work in 2D ). 🍻
My last computer is my first "brand name". Before that I would always build up my systems.

So what is your opinion on the performance of your first brand name computer vs the built ones?

Re: How much RAM?

hak_vz — Tue, 03 Nov 2020 17:25:30 GMT

So what is your opinion on the performance of your first brand name computer vs the built ones?

I'm very satisfied with its performance. If I opted for built one it would probably be even better since all

components would be as I like. Current refurbished HP Z station has all the components I need, but as you stated in

previous post, there are no options for overclocking (actually there are some but not with a lot of gain).

When I have written down the specs I would want to have it was way to expensive for my current budget, so I am satisfied with what I have managed to buy.

Re: How much RAM?

john.uhden — Wed, 11 Nov 2020 01:07:50 GMT

This thread has been idle for a while while I've been pursuing options.

It may just be that my local computer hardware mechanic might find/refurbish a used laptop that meets most of your (plural) specs at an affordable price.

Working again has certainly changed my financial condition. I'm even looking forward to be able to rent an inexpensive waterfront camp on Great Pond in Maine in 2021. Except for last year, we've been going there once a year since 1994. Now my eldest daughter has the 17' boat to bring up (if I can convince her to come and play with us). Then again, she is only about an hour away across the river from Wiscasset (where Red's Eats is), so we could stop by on our way and take the boat with us <nyuh nyuh nyuh>.

You guys are great!!

Re: How much RAM?

john.uhden — Thu, 12 Nov 2020 18:51:47 GMT

Almost there.

Thanks to all your advice and suggestions, I had my computer mechanic find me a $2000 Lenova 17" laptop (512Gb, 16 Gb, I-7) for only $800, all diagnosed with negative results for COVID (Caught On Video Infecting Drive).

I'll pick it up tomorrow afternoon.