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    <description>&amp;gt; I don't understand what you are trying to do.&lt;BR /&gt;
While modifying the elevation may be a workaround in most cases, you &lt;BR /&gt;
must be sure to reset the elev back to zero or you will cause other &lt;BR /&gt;
problems. The point to the question is how come the ability to define &lt;BR /&gt;
display order is missing from the api when it is available thru the &lt;BR /&gt;
AutoCAD gui?&lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;BR /&gt;
As I posted earlier, use the unsupported library ADSKUnSupp2000 for 2000 &lt;BR /&gt;
to 2002 and ADSKUnSupp2004 for 2004. This is better than the &lt;BR /&gt;
sendcommand. Tony T's ACADX may do it as well. &lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;BR /&gt;
-- &lt;BR /&gt;
___________________________&lt;BR /&gt;
Mike Tuersley&lt;BR /&gt;
AutoCAD Clinic&lt;BR /&gt;
Rand IMAGINiT Technologies</description>
    <pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2003 07:39:05 GMT</pubDate>
    <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2003-11-13T07:39:05Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Send entity "to back"...</title>
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      <description>Dear all,&lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;BR /&gt;
Did anybody invent anything smarter for sending selected entity "to back"&lt;BR /&gt;
than using plain SendCommand? What mechanism does it use? What part of DWG&lt;BR /&gt;
keeps track of "what's above what" and what layer is the bottomost? I'm&lt;BR /&gt;
writing a TLB using VB and any sort of SendCommand seems quite ugly and&lt;BR /&gt;
quite out-of-process... you know what I mean...&lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;BR /&gt;
Thanks in advance for possible tips,&lt;BR /&gt;
Maksim Sestic</description>
      <pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2003 11:04:26 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2003-10-17T11:04:26Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Send entity "to back"...</title>
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      <description>Hello,&lt;BR /&gt;
I believe the draw order is determined by the order in which the objects are created.  Another option is to copy the items you want in front and then delete them.</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2003 06:02:05 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2003-10-18T06:02:05Z</dc:date>
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      <description>&lt;DIV&gt;&lt;FONT face="Arial" size="2"&gt;Lorier,&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;DIV&gt;&lt;FONT face="Arial" size="2"&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;DIV&gt;&lt;FONT face="Arial" size="2"&gt;I was just curious about&amp;nbsp;internals &lt;BR /&gt;
of&amp;nbsp;DRAWORDER command, as I can't any smart substitution for it. If I copy &lt;BR /&gt;
objects then I'm changing their handlers, so it's not the solution I'm looking &lt;BR /&gt;
for.&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;DIV&gt;&lt;FONT face="Arial" size="2"&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;DIV&gt;&lt;FONT face="Arial" size="2"&gt;Regards,&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;DIV&gt;&lt;FONT face="Arial" size="2"&gt;Maksim Sestic&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;
style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"&amp;gt;&lt;BR /&gt;
  &lt;DIV&gt;"lorier" &amp;lt;&lt;A href="mailto:justin@bee.net"&gt;justin@bee.net&lt;/A&gt;&amp;gt; wrote &lt;BR /&gt;
  in message &lt;A&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;
  href="news:f194288.0@WebX.maYIadrTaRb"&amp;gt;news:f194288.0@WebX.maYIadrTaRb&lt;/A&gt;...&lt;/DIV&gt;Hello, &lt;BR /&gt;
  &lt;BR /&gt;I believe the draw order is determined by the order in which the objects &lt;BR /&gt;
  are created. Another option is to copy the items you want in front and then &lt;BR /&gt;
  delete them.&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2003 13:28:34 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2003-10-18T13:28:34Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Send entity "to back"...</title>
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      <description>how do you do it with send command? I thought there was no way to change the&lt;BR /&gt;
display order from VBA at all.&lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;BR /&gt;
"Maksim Sestic" &lt;OFFICE&gt; wrote in message&lt;BR /&gt;
news:710F1B79EC54304859352DB07F239B15@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt; Dear all,&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt;&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt; Did anybody invent anything smarter for sending selected entity "to back"&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt; than using plain SendCommand? What mechanism does it use? What part of DWG&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt; keeps track of "what's above what" and what layer is the bottomost? I'm&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt; writing a TLB using VB and any sort of SendCommand seems quite ugly and&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt; quite out-of-process... you know what I mean...&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt;&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt; Thanks in advance for possible tips,&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt; Maksim Sestic&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt;&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt;&lt;/OFFICE&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2003 07:49:29 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2003-10-28T07:49:29Z</dc:date>
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      <description>I don't understand what you are trying to do.&lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;BR /&gt;
The SendCommand is used to send things to the AutoCAD command line, such as&lt;BR /&gt;
a "hide" command.&lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;BR /&gt;
Since AutoCAD is a 3D program you can change the elevation of certian&lt;BR /&gt;
objects with&lt;BR /&gt;
the .Elevation property or just change the Z coordinates of the object to&lt;BR /&gt;
move it above&lt;BR /&gt;
or below another object.&lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;BR /&gt;
Phil Custer, P.E. Custer Services, Inc.&lt;BR /&gt;
custer@landfillgas.com&lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;BR /&gt;
"Mike Daugird" &lt;MDAUGIRD&gt; wrote in message&lt;BR /&gt;
news:1206476FFA9ADBED956B6F4307BEF37D@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt; how do you do it with send command? I thought there was no way to change&lt;BR /&gt;
the&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt; display order from VBA at all.&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt;&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt;&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt; "Maksim Sestic" &lt;OFFICE&gt; wrote in message&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt; news:710F1B79EC54304859352DB07F239B15@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt; &amp;gt; Dear all,&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt; &amp;gt;&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt; &amp;gt; Did anybody invent anything smarter for sending selected entity "to&lt;BR /&gt;
back"&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt; &amp;gt; than using plain SendCommand? What mechanism does it use? What part of&lt;BR /&gt;
DWG&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt; &amp;gt; keeps track of "what's above what" and what layer is the bottomost? I'm&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt; &amp;gt; writing a TLB using VB and any sort of SendCommand seems quite ugly and&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt; &amp;gt; quite out-of-process... you know what I mean...&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt; &amp;gt;&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt; &amp;gt; Thanks in advance for possible tips,&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt; &amp;gt; Maksim Sestic&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt; &amp;gt;&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt; &amp;gt;&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt;&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt;&lt;/OFFICE&gt;&lt;/MDAUGIRD&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2003 13:11:16 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2003-11-01T13:11:16Z</dc:date>
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      <description>I hope it help you.&lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;BR /&gt;
"Phil Custer" &lt;CUSTER&gt; escreveu na mensagem&lt;BR /&gt;
news:D12D458F819E9733B8501EDAC8ABEBBF@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt; I don't understand what you are trying to do.&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt;&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt; The SendCommand is used to send things to the AutoCAD command line, such&lt;BR /&gt;
as&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt; a "hide" command.&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt;&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt; Since AutoCAD is a 3D program you can change the elevation of certian&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt; objects with&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt; the .Elevation property or just change the Z coordinates of the object to&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt; move it above&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt; or below another object.&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt;&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt; Phil Custer, P.E. Custer Services, Inc.&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt; custer@landfillgas.com&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt;&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt;&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt; "Mike Daugird" &lt;MDAUGIRD&gt; wrote in message&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt; news:1206476FFA9ADBED956B6F4307BEF37D@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt; &amp;gt; how do you do it with send command? I thought there was no way to change&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt; the&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt; &amp;gt; display order from VBA at all.&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt; &amp;gt;&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt; &amp;gt;&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt; &amp;gt; "Maksim Sestic" &lt;OFFICE&gt; wrote in message&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt; &amp;gt; news:710F1B79EC54304859352DB07F239B15@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; Dear all,&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt;&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; Did anybody invent anything smarter for sending selected entity "to&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt; back"&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; than using plain SendCommand? What mechanism does it use? What part of&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt; DWG&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; keeps track of "what's above what" and what layer is the bottomost?&lt;BR /&gt;
I'm&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; writing a TLB using VB and any sort of SendCommand seems quite ugly&lt;BR /&gt;
and&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; quite out-of-process... you know what I mean...&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt;&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; Thanks in advance for possible tips,&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; Maksim Sestic&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt;&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt;&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt; &amp;gt;&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt; &amp;gt;&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt;&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt;&lt;/OFFICE&gt;&lt;/MDAUGIRD&gt;&lt;/CUSTER&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2003 14:46:10 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2003-11-06T14:46:10Z</dc:date>
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      <description>&amp;gt; I don't understand what you are trying to do.&lt;BR /&gt;
While modifying the elevation may be a workaround in most cases, you &lt;BR /&gt;
must be sure to reset the elev back to zero or you will cause other &lt;BR /&gt;
problems. The point to the question is how come the ability to define &lt;BR /&gt;
display order is missing from the api when it is available thru the &lt;BR /&gt;
AutoCAD gui?&lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;BR /&gt;
As I posted earlier, use the unsupported library ADSKUnSupp2000 for 2000 &lt;BR /&gt;
to 2002 and ADSKUnSupp2004 for 2004. This is better than the &lt;BR /&gt;
sendcommand. Tony T's ACADX may do it as well. &lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;BR /&gt;
-- &lt;BR /&gt;
___________________________&lt;BR /&gt;
Mike Tuersley&lt;BR /&gt;
AutoCAD Clinic&lt;BR /&gt;
Rand IMAGINiT Technologies</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2003 07:39:05 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/vba-forum/send-entity-quot-to-back-quot/m-p/311268#M59937</guid>
      <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2003-11-13T07:39:05Z</dc:date>
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      <description>Phil,&lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;BR /&gt;
I was just trying to figure out how DRAWORDER command functions internally.&lt;BR /&gt;
It's possible to use SendCommand to perform the draworder and send the&lt;BR /&gt;
(previously created) selection set "to back" or "to front", neverthless of&lt;BR /&gt;
how selected objects' layers are initially ordered. Alas, there's no exposed&lt;BR /&gt;
object functionality regarding draworder... nor any hint of how ACAD stores&lt;BR /&gt;
implemented drawing order of objects within the drawing... I guess Mike's&lt;BR /&gt;
answer (ADSKUnSupp library) will do the job right.&lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;BR /&gt;
Thanks,&lt;BR /&gt;
Maksim Sestic&lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;BR /&gt;
"Phil Custer" &lt;CUSTER&gt; wrote in message&lt;BR /&gt;
news:D12D458F819E9733B8501EDAC8ABEBBF@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt; I don't understand what you are trying to do.&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt;&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt; The SendCommand is used to send things to the AutoCAD command line, such&lt;BR /&gt;
as&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt; a "hide" command.&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt;&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt; Since AutoCAD is a 3D program you can change the elevation of certian&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt; objects with&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt; the .Elevation property or just change the Z coordinates of the object to&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt; move it above&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt; or below another object.&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt;&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt; Phil Custer, P.E. Custer Services, Inc.&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt; custer@landfillgas.com&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt;&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt;&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt; "Mike Daugird" &lt;MDAUGIRD&gt; wrote in message&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt; news:1206476FFA9ADBED956B6F4307BEF37D@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt; &amp;gt; how do you do it with send command? I thought there was no way to change&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt; the&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt; &amp;gt; display order from VBA at all.&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt; &amp;gt;&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt; &amp;gt;&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt; &amp;gt; "Maksim Sestic" &lt;OFFICE&gt; wrote in message&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt; &amp;gt; news:710F1B79EC54304859352DB07F239B15@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; Dear all,&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt;&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; Did anybody invent anything smarter for sending selected entity "to&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt; back"&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; than using plain SendCommand? What mechanism does it use? What part of&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt; DWG&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; keeps track of "what's above what" and what layer is the bottomost?&lt;BR /&gt;
I'm&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; writing a TLB using VB and any sort of SendCommand seems quite ugly&lt;BR /&gt;
and&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; quite out-of-process... you know what I mean...&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt;&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; Thanks in advance for possible tips,&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; Maksim Sestic&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt;&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt;&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt; &amp;gt;&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt; &amp;gt;&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt;&lt;BR /&gt;
&amp;gt;&lt;/OFFICE&gt;&lt;/MDAUGIRD&gt;&lt;/CUSTER&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2003 04:16:21 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2003-12-14T04:16:21Z</dc:date>
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