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    <title>topic Re: LM2 Wheel Axle Load model error? in Structural Bridge Design Forum</title>
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    <description>&lt;P&gt;Hi,&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;The characteristic value of 400kN is just the default value for the LM2 axle load, which relates to the full axle load but can be changed if required.&amp;nbsp; EN1991-2 4.3.3(1) also specifies that "when relevant, only one wheel of 200&lt;FONT face="symbol"&gt;b&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;FONT size="1 2 3 4 5 6 7"&gt;Q&lt;/FONT&gt;(kN) may be taken into account."&amp;nbsp; In this case, the value of 400 will need to be changed manually to 200 for it to be applied correctly, when manually applying the loads.&amp;nbsp; The vehicle load optimisation feature should do this automatically when optimising for load model 2,&amp;nbsp; if there is a case that the single wheel load will give a more onerous effect than the full axle load.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I hope this helps and if this has answered your query then please mark my reply as a solution so that others may benefit.&amp;nbsp; Thanks&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Kind regards&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Dave Geeves&lt;/P&gt;</description>
    <pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2021 11:37:18 GMT</pubDate>
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    <dc:date>2021-06-16T11:37:18Z</dc:date>
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      <title>LM2 Wheel Axle Load model error?</title>
      <link>https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/structural-bridge-design-forum/lm2-wheel-axle-load-model-error/m-p/10394366#M1266</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Hi,&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;When applying vehicle loads (Eurocode &amp;amp; UK Annexes) to my bridge model one of the structure loads (LM2 Axle Load) comprises a double wheel axle load of 400kN and when selecting from the Type drop down to "wheel" the charact. axle load is still 400kN. See below. I have never seen this axle load type applied before, is this correct?&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Thanks&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;span class="lia-inline-image-display-wrapper lia-image-align-inline" image-alt="andruskolossov_1-1623837332730.png" style="width: 400px;"&gt;&lt;img src="https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/930939i71610752250F0A69/image-size/medium?v=v2&amp;amp;px=400" role="button" title="andruskolossov_1-1623837332730.png" alt="andruskolossov_1-1623837332730.png" /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2021 09:57:38 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>andrus.kolossov</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2021-06-16T09:57:38Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: LM2 Wheel Axle Load model error?</title>
      <link>https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/structural-bridge-design-forum/lm2-wheel-axle-load-model-error/m-p/10394589#M1267</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Hi,&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;The characteristic value of 400kN is just the default value for the LM2 axle load, which relates to the full axle load but can be changed if required.&amp;nbsp; EN1991-2 4.3.3(1) also specifies that "when relevant, only one wheel of 200&lt;FONT face="symbol"&gt;b&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;FONT size="1 2 3 4 5 6 7"&gt;Q&lt;/FONT&gt;(kN) may be taken into account."&amp;nbsp; In this case, the value of 400 will need to be changed manually to 200 for it to be applied correctly, when manually applying the loads.&amp;nbsp; The vehicle load optimisation feature should do this automatically when optimising for load model 2,&amp;nbsp; if there is a case that the single wheel load will give a more onerous effect than the full axle load.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I hope this helps and if this has answered your query then please mark my reply as a solution so that others may benefit.&amp;nbsp; Thanks&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Kind regards&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Dave Geeves&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2021 11:37:18 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>dave_geeves</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2021-06-16T11:37:18Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: LM2 Wheel Axle Load model error?</title>
      <link>https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/structural-bridge-design-forum/lm2-wheel-axle-load-model-error/m-p/10407192#M1268</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Hi Dave,&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Thanks for the explanation. Could you further explain why the analysis chooses 2No. 200kN wheel loads and not a single 400kN load. Is this an error?&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 21 Jun 2021 08:59:31 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>andrus.kolossov</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2021-06-21T08:59:31Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: LM2 Wheel Axle Load model error?</title>
      <link>https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/structural-bridge-design-forum/lm2-wheel-axle-load-model-error/m-p/10414867#M1269</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Hi,&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I assume that when you say "The program chooses....."&amp;nbsp; you are referring to the load optimisation, as if you are doing this manually then it is you, the engineer, that is choosing whether to define a 400kN axle load or a 200kN wheel load to define the worst case scenario (the latter would only be the worst case if one wheel was adverse and the the other relieving).&amp;nbsp; I don't believe there is a requirement to have a single 400kN wheel load as you have suggested, but if I'm wrong then please tell me which clauses you are referring to.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;The load optimisation will check both the 400kN axle load(2 x 200kN wheels) and the single 200kN wheel load and decide on which provides the worst case before creating the live load compilation.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I hope this helps.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Kind regards&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Dave Geeves&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 23 Jun 2021 15:18:46 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>dave_geeves</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2021-06-23T15:18:46Z</dc:date>
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