topic Re: Reinforced concrete design update in Robot Structural Analysis Forum

Reinforced concrete design update

Anonymous — Fri, 10 Feb 2012 06:33:08 GMT

Good day all

I have allready posted a question on South African Rebar, stating that Robot cannot handle it. I was wondering where to post a suggesstion to Autodesk that in their next release they enable Robot to design according to Eurocode the rebar for a concrete structure, using any local (e.g. South African) rebar database.

This is analogous to the steel design, where the South African steel section database may be used in a design according to Eurocode.

Warm regards

Shaahid

Re: Reinforced concrete design update

Artur.Kosakowski — Fri, 10 Feb 2012 12:23:49 GMT

It is actually possible (it is also possible to use rebars that are created by a user with new grades and diameters). The points is somewhere else I think - you would like to have bar shapes governed by the selected rebar database whereas it depends on the selected design code instead . Due to this you can use your own or modified existing reinforcement database.

If you find your post answered press the Accept as Solution button please. This will help other users to find solutions much faster. Thank you.

Re: Reinforced concrete design update

Anonymous — Fri, 10 Feb 2012 12:02:04 GMT

Thank you for the speedy reply..

I am sorry, I do not understand what you are trying to tell me. How do I create or modify a rebar database?

I also cannot acces the attachment. (EC2 with SA rebar.PNG)

Regards

Re: Reinforced concrete design update

Artur.Kosakowski — Fri, 10 Feb 2012 12:21:55 GMT

I'm attaching the picture again.

Re: Reinforced concrete design update

Anonymous — Fri, 10 Feb 2012 14:36:45 GMT

Thanks again, but I did have these settings. My only problem is that the shape code is does not correspond to the south african shape codes, they remain British. I will try all the other methods so long

I really appreciate your swift help

Regards

Re: Reinforced concrete design update

Artur.Kosakowski — Fri, 10 Feb 2012 14:43:42 GMT

Have you checked the solution proposed by gustavo.c.vasconcellos in his last post inside your previous topic http://forums.autodesk.com/t5/Autodesk-Robot-Structural/South-African-Rebar/td-p/3324941 ?

Re: Reinforced concrete design update

Anonymous — Fri, 10 Feb 2012 14:46:23 GMT

Yes I am just trying to figure out which is the UK template...

Re: Reinforced concrete design update

Artur.Kosakowski — Fri, 10 Feb 2012 14:51:34 GMT

RBCR-044.dwt. The number of the template corresponds to the given country calling code. Isn't it obvious?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_country_calling_codes

Re: Reinforced concrete design update

Anonymous — Fri, 10 Feb 2012 14:53:02 GMT

Lol

I missed it

Re: Reinforced concrete design update

Anonymous — Fri, 10 Feb 2012 14:58:34 GMT

Changing the template does not work...

Sigh...

I am trying to export to Revit, but everytime i say integrate, it tells me it needs revit 2012? Which I have ...

Re: Reinforced concrete design update

Artur.Kosakowski — Fri, 10 Feb 2012 15:18:56 GMT

Check http://forums.autodesk.com/t5/Autodesk-Robot-Structural/Robot-2012-Link-to-Revitstructure-2012/m-p/3092158/highlight/true#M379 please.

Re: Reinforced concrete design update

Anonymous — Fri, 10 Feb 2012 15:38:00 GMT

Revit encounters a problem when we want to transfer the rebar created in Robot.

Is there a way to modify the shape code database?

Re: Reinforced concrete design update

gustavo_c_vasconcellos — Fri, 10 Feb 2012 21:46:07 GMT

Dear Sahhid, see attached

Re: Reinforced concrete design update

Anonymous — Sat, 11 Feb 2012 05:13:14 GMT

Good day Gustavo

I appreciate your help and concern, but I cannot seem to get around it. Please see the attachment showing the error I encounter in Structural Detailing. Please could you try it with the settings I have and let me know.

I also tried the Revit maneuver, but it also failed.

Regards

Shaahid

Re: Reinforced concrete design update

Anonymous — Sat, 11 Feb 2012 12:13:23 GMT

I tried your (Gustavo's) idea on a 64 bit OS, but it gave me the error shown in the attachment.

Do you have any more ideas? Brain storms?

I can only think of modifying the British shape code database in both Structural Detailing and Robot to match the South African database.

Re: Reinforced concrete design update

Artur.Kosakowski — Mon, 13 Feb 2012 10:33:39 GMT

I can only think of modifying the British shape code database in both Structural Detailing and Robot to match the South African database.

I'm very sorry but if that was the option I would propose this solution in my first answer. These shape codes are hard coded and not possible to be edited in the way you would like to change them. As I mentioned earlier the only workaround I can think of is the export via Revit or manual edition of shape codes in tables created in ASD.

Re: Reinforced concrete design update

Anonymous — Wed, 15 Feb 2012 18:27:22 GMT

Good day Artur

I tried exporting a schedule to Revit, but within this export from Robot to Revit it gave me an error. The only way to get the shape codes correct on the final drawing is to edit them manually on ASD, which is not ideal.

However, in my exploration of Robot I found:

The 32 bit architecture exports the rebar to ASD in a much better presentation (using the drop down menu - reinforcement).

Exporting slab rebar on both the 32 and 64 bit architectures we obtain untidy drawings.

Will Autodesk be able to correct these problems by the next release, as I have found these to be the only problems with the software. Everything else works great!

Regards

Re: Reinforced concrete design update

Artur.Kosakowski — Thu, 16 Feb 2012 08:03:18 GMT

I tried exporting a schedule to Revit, but within this export from Robot to Revit it gave me an error

Do you mean that you tried to export model (structure) from Robot with reinforcement generated in the RC Beams and Column modules?

Re: Reinforced concrete design update

Anonymous — Thu, 16 Feb 2012 08:22:38 GMT

Yes... See message 12...

I have exported the model to ASD with British Rebar and this had worked fine.... So I assume South African rebar is not well established in Robot.

Other comments:

The steel design and detailing with ASD works perfect.

A South African wind load code does not exist in Robot.

The South African code combinations freezes in Automatic Combinations.

Will the next release resolve these problems?

Regards

Re: Reinforced concrete design update

Artur.Kosakowski — Thu, 16 Feb 2012 08:59:12 GMT

Yes... See message 12...

Could you send me Robot model with generated reinforcement of beams and columns that you attempted to export to Revit please?

Other comments:

A South African wind load code does not exist in Robot. - not planned for v.2013.

The South African code combinations freezes in Automatic Combinations.

Could you send the model where it happens and describe your actions so that I'm able to follow them please?