topic Re: Duplicate Views as dependent ...with different scale in Revit Structure Forum

Duplicate Views as dependent ...with different scale

ivtay — Sun, 07 Apr 2013 08:47:39 GMT

Hi,

For Revt 2013 Building Design Suite

Can we duplicate view as dependent with option to set to a different scale from main view?

These dependent views are cropped to show part of main view, set to a larger scale and onto sheets.

Currently, an having to switch between scales for plottings of different sheets, causings tags to be displaced from preferred position ...

Or am I not doing it right...?

Thank you!

Ivy

Re: Duplicate Views as dependent ...with different scale

AJA14 — Sun, 07 Apr 2013 08:57:58 GMT

Hi,

To do that, you need to first duplicate the main view (not as a dependant). This will be your working view. and then create your scaled views as dependant from this view. Your original view remains with the original scale.

Remember to use matchlines and view references.

Regards,

Re: Duplicate Views as dependent ...with different scale

ivtay — Tue, 09 Apr 2013 10:01:32 GMT

Thank you Ali,

However, the tags do not follow. I will need to tag the duplicated view ...that wld be double work.

Is it possible to have changes/additions plus tags reflect on the duplicate views (with different scale) as well?

regards,

ivy

Re: Duplicate Views as dependent ...with different scale

CoreyDaun — Tue, 09 Apr 2013 12:35:07 GMT

Are you tagging the same elements on both the large scale and the enlarged plans? Wouldn't that be redundant work anyway if this weren't done in Revit? There is no way to have a Dependent View at a different scale than its Parent View, so at the very least, you can copy/paste the annotations from one View to the other. You will have to make a lot of adjustments to these annotations, though.

Re: Duplicate Views as dependent ...with different scale

AJA14 — Tue, 09 Apr 2013 13:26:47 GMT

Hi again,

If you originally duplicated with detailing, and then created dependant views from the dummy plan (which is a duplicate with detailing), that should solve the annotations' issue.

If I misunderstood you question, please let me know.

CADastrophe makes a good point in that you shouldn't tag both because that would be redundant.

Regards,

Re: Duplicate Views as dependent ...with different scale

ivtay — Wed, 10 Apr 2013 00:08:24 GMT

Thank you. I do understand what you are saying. Thing is, we need to prepare part plan/views of a drawing sheet (often in larger scale) for issuance. It is common practice in our office, so avoid frequent full size sheet issuance.

Thank you.

regards,

ivy

Re: Duplicate Views as dependent ...with different scale

Anonymous — Thu, 13 Feb 2014 18:16:35 GMT

I am surprised that this issue which I am having to find work-arounds for still exists in Revit 2014!

I too need different scale, dependent views. My workaround is to do the following everytime I send drawings to the client:

1) delete old partial view (enlarged view)

2) re-duplicate the original view , recrop it, rep-place it on sheet, rename, etc... [and I need to do this about 16 times]

Very frustrating!

** The other (quicker?) method is to create an annotation group for each plan and have the duplicate (enlarged plans) contain a copy of the annotation group.

Also frustrating, as dimensions/spot elevations/tags can still not be added to annotation groups. So they still need to be copy+pasted for each enlarged plan. And there is the constant extra step of editing the annotation block each time you edit/add/remove annotation from each plan.

Is it just me, or does it seem like Autodesk does not communicate with the end users of their software while they are making revisions.

I have used Revit almost daily for years and still each version has things that seem so easy to fix.

Re: Duplicate Views as dependent ...with different scale

Anonymous — Thu, 19 May 2016 14:20:51 GMT

Hi..

I have question related to this issue too! I want to make drawing sheets for the same title but different scales. So, should I make titles in working plan with difference scales, for example" 1ST FLOOR PLAN, SCALE 1:100 , then duplicate 1ST FLOOR PLAN SCALE 1:200" ??

So if I have this 30 sheets, I should then duplicate it all. Then the Tags as well ~> This is so frustating!!

Can we just arrange it on Sheets?

Please help. Tks

Re: Duplicate Views as dependent ...with different scale

Anonymous — Fri, 19 Aug 2016 09:37:09 GMT

It's not only You. We have 2016, and things are the same. Not having a dependent view in a different scale increas worktime.

I would say some more, but it's not appropriate to use some words...

regards

Bartek

Re: Duplicate Views as dependent ...with different scale

Anonymous — Wed, 07 Feb 2018 23:41:11 GMT

Have you tried doing it as Callout on the main view? not sure about limitations that come with that, however its an alternative to having multiple views with different scales some dependent some not.

Re: Duplicate Views as dependent ...with different scale

ivtay — Thu, 08 Feb 2018 04:16:28 GMT

Yes! Callout with tags will work on Views of links (set "by link view) and allows change of scale, although we cannot moved the tags.

From your suggestion, I searched further and found this:

http://help.autodesk.com/view/RVT/2016/ENU/?caas=caas%2Fdiscussion%2Ft5%2FRevit-MEP-Forum%2FCallout-View-Annotations%2Ftd-p%2F7429747.html

Merging the the above processes, we can then manage all part views for issuance in a separate Revit file (with link of main model).

It is a better work around then exporting to DWF / DWG and preparing it in AutoCAD.

Thank you!

Re: Duplicate Views as dependent ...with different scale

Anonymous — Mon, 21 May 2018 19:13:42 GMT

You seem to have missed to point entirely, which is this: There is a lot of information (tags, annotations, linework, etc.) that we would like to have in the original view transfer also to a dependent view. I'm running across this issue right now as I am attempting to show schematic site design on two sheets, at separate scales.

It's quite ridiculous to have to do all of the same work twice just because you can't create a dependent view at a different scale. All of the work-around options here only satisfy the situation if you are setting up the views and don't anticipate having to move or edit anything.

Re: Duplicate Views as dependent ...with different scale

ToanDN — Mon, 21 May 2018 19:23:24 GMT

@Anonymous wrote:

You seem to have missed to point entirely, which is this: There is a lot of information (tags, annotations, linework, etc.) that we would like to have in the original view transfer also to a dependent view. I'm running across this issue right now as I am attempting to show schematic site design on two sheets, at separate scales.

It's quite ridiculous to have to do all of the same work twice just because you can't create a dependent view at a different scale. All of the work-around options here only satisfy the situation if you are setting up the views and don't anticipate having to move or edit anything.

You also missed a point that annotation on different scales can be vastly different appearance/arrangement wise. A piece of text on 1:10 scale can be tiny but it can cover the entire view if you change the view's scale to 1:1000. A stack of leader notes spaced nicely on a 1:50 view will become an overlapping mess when you change the view's scale to 1:200.

I don't even want to say that repeating information is commonly regarded as a bad practice in the industry.

Re: Duplicate Views as dependent ...with different scale

Anonymous — Mon, 21 May 2018 19:25:59 GMT

Yes that is absolutely true, and something I'm sure we would all like to see Autodesk address as well. (Having text/tags/annotations scale with the rest of the drawing)

Re: Duplicate Views as dependent ...with different scale

Anonymous — Mon, 21 May 2018 19:33:26 GMT

* I just wanted to add that Revit2019 still does not fix this issue. (Dependent views still are linked to the same scale as the original views). Oh well. We have to work with what we are given. 😕

[Hey AutoDesk, want to improve your software a lot? Perhaps hire or interview one of us who have used your software for many decades and have used it on hundreds of projects. We can tell you what improvements would make your software even better.]

Re: Duplicate Views as dependent ...with different scale

Anonymous — Wed, 30 Oct 2019 10:35:18 GMT

Still no workaround as per 2019/2020

Re: Duplicate Views as dependent ...with different scale

SteveKStafford — Mon, 17 Jul 2023 17:07:48 GMT

This feature was introduced to respond to specific user requests, primarily from the MEP community at the time. They expressed a desire to work in an overall plan view of the building while using their normal designing scale which usually does not fit on a sheet. They wanted to then carve up that work into partial plans and retain the annotation work done in the overall view. The goal being able to transition back and forth from modelling and documentation tasks without having to bounce from view to view too.

As such, without any extra overrides in play, the only thing that can be different in any child (dependent) view is its crop boundary. It was introduced to support the Matchline feature as well, they arrived at the same time.

The notion of using varying scales between dependent and parent views is recurring but the logic that applies to them falls apart quickly in the implementation of a solution. Most of them have been expressed in this thread and many others over the years. Generally, if a user says the solution is obvious or easy...it isn't.

The notion of annotation changing size as scale changes is also fundamentally at odds with Revit's beliefs. Annotation is designed to maintain size because graphics standards for ages require it. When annotation shrinks or expands inappropriately, like in other CAD application, you end up with pretty bad looking work. Revit was designed to eliminate that. The implication of this "client/boss" and "standards" driven requirements is unique views and annotation are required when specific things must disregard such standards.

Re: Duplicate Views as dependent ...with different scale

ToanDN — Thu, 31 Oct 2019 00:57:17 GMT

@Anonymous wrote:

Still no workaround as per 2019/2020

Workaround is Duplicate with Details, then change Scale.

Re: Duplicate Views as dependent ...with different scale

Base12 — Wed, 20 Jan 2021 17:19:46 GMT

Just use a 24-foot wide by 12-foot high sheet of paper and put the entire project on it at the same scale, sheesh! What? That's not practical?

Re: Duplicate Views as dependent ...with different scale

tony.bouwmeesterB3AKQ — Sat, 19 Mar 2022 04:11:50 GMT

Still no solution in 2021. It is a pity that Revit programmers prioritise purist programming over real-work user needs. The only solution I can see is to use 2D groups copied into multiple views as a way of capturing drafting elements across multiple scales.