topic Re: Pile Cut off Problem in Revit Structure Forum

Pile Cut off Problem

shefypattambi — Sun, 27 Nov 2016 14:18:59 GMT

Hii,

My Pile Cut off parameter (pile embedment length inside the Pile Cap ) is working as intended in the family environment but once I uploaded that to Project environment it not working as intend. Could anybody check and suggest any solution ?

Re: Pile Cut off Problem

N.Oomen — Mon, 28 Nov 2016 08:33:35 GMT

Hello shefypattambi,

When you use these piles including a cap Revit automatically joins those together when you adjust any parameter.

Place the family in your project and go to Modify tab and click on Geometry Panel, Unjoin Geometry. Select the cap and as a result the piles and caps won’t join anymore.

This is a standard Revit behavior that we can’t change as a user, but this way it is something we can solve.

Tip, if you place one cap and copy that one around in the project you don’t have to unjoin every cap.

I would really like to hear from you if this will solve your problem or you have any more questions.

For all other Forum members, it would be nice if you mark the reply as a “Solution” when it answers your question.

Good Luck,
Niels Oomen

Re: Pile Cut off Problem

shefypattambi — Mon, 28 Nov 2016 09:53:19 GMT

Dear Neils,

Thanks for the reply, The unjoin geometry tool is working as you said. But please check the attached family with this post.This is a standard Pile with Pile cap provided by Revit and the cut off is working as intended even in the project environment without using unjoin geometry tools.. But the problem is it could not identified by the Revit extension for the Pile and pile cap reinforcement purpose. So that I have created the same and it is identifying by the extension but Pile Cut off is not working in the project environment. I change the materiel for model behavior and still no luck.

Re: Pile Cut off Problem

N.Oomen — Mon, 28 Nov 2016 10:19:19 GMT

Hello shefypattambi,

I have used both your family and the standard Autodesk family with the Pile and Pile Cap extention.

Both work fine with me with Revit 2017.1.

The standard Autodesk family is using a steel pile so if you want to use rebar then you need to switch that pile for a concrete pile.

Just wondering, are you using latest Updates?

What Revit version are you using?

Could you try to select your piles with tab and then try the extention?

Thanks,

Niels Oomen

Re: Pile Cut off Problem

shefypattambi — Mon, 28 Nov 2016 12:13:10 GMT

Dear Mr.Niels,

The standard pile family is two types : - Pile Cap-2 Pile (Steel Pile) and Pile Cap-2 Round Pile ( Concrete Pile). I use the Pile Cap-2 Round Pile (Concrete Pile) with Revit 2017.1 and unfortunately for this standard pile; TAB key is not working to select the pile but it is working in the pile family that I created.

Please have a look at the attached pic

Re: Pile Cut off Problem

N.Oomen — Mon, 28 Nov 2016 12:47:00 GMT

Hello shefypattambi,

When I look at your family choice it seems different from mine.

I looked what content library I installed and if that could be the difference.

I am using Netherlands Specific content and it seems that we use different families.

I will attach one of those families for you to test.

I think your Pile objects are not shared, and/or might not have te right material in the nested family.

Please have a look at the attached file.

I would really like to hear from you if this will solve your problem or you have any more questions.
For all other Forum members, it would be nice if you mark the reply as a “Solution” when it answers your question.

Good Luck,
Niels Oomen

Re: Pile Cut off Problem

shefypattambi — Mon, 28 Nov 2016 19:41:50 GMT

Dear Niels,

You are absolutely right. The family is given by you is identifying by the extension but the default family given by Autodesk for the UK region it is not identifying. I tried both the "pile Cap" and "Pile" family parameter to shared and change the material also. Still its not working. Could you please upload your Pile cap with 2 concrete pile and pile cap with 3 concrete pile for the Netherlands region further to test?

1) Still what would be the reason; cut off not working for my family ?

It is working for the Stndared Revit Pile.

Re: Pile Cut off Problem

N.Oomen — Mon, 28 Nov 2016 22:47:27 GMT

Hi @shefypattambi,

I have uploaded my test model with a 2-3 and 4 pile cap.

I can't figure out why it has different behavior.

Only thing I can think of is the following:

Different materials plus different model behavior in the family, concrete, precast, steel etc.
Shared nested family or nested family

I think you have tested all that also, maybe you could bring it back to Autodesk Support and see what they have to say about it?

Good luck with it,

N.Oomen

Re: Pile Cut off Problem

shefypattambi — Tue, 29 Nov 2016 04:14:49 GMT

Thank you Niels..Lets hope somebody from the Autodesk support team will give some solution.

Re: Pile Cut off Problem

shefypattambi — Tue, 29 Nov 2016 09:30:21 GMT

Hii N.Oomen,

Is it possible to create two type of the same pile category with two different formulas .. any workaround ?

Re: Pile Cut off Problem

Anonymous — Tue, 29 Nov 2016 15:26:08 GMT

shefypattambi

Am I right in saying that the OOTB pilecap has a void extrusion to allow for the pile embedment, and will therefore report the correct cut-off level?

Have you replicated this in your family?

Re: Pile Cut off Problem

shefypattambi — Tue, 29 Nov 2016 17:50:46 GMT

Wonder full..You are absolutely right..there is a void extrusion in the OOTB Pile cap family

But I delete that void extrusion and tested the family in project environment; the cut of projection is still showing but not showing in the family that I created.

Re: Pile Cut off Problem

N.Oomen — Wed, 30 Nov 2016 15:24:35 GMT

Hi @shefypattambi,

You could use an extra parameter "factor" instead of the value '2.5'. That would give you the opportunity to change that value per type.

it is not possible to create a different formula with two different types.

for example one type within the family = value *diameter and other type would be value / diameter.

Hope this helps you out?

Good luck

Niels Oomen