topic Re: Project Phases Disappeared in Revit MEP Forum

Project Phases Disappeared

ArmandD — Thu, 23 Jun 2016 14:44:21 GMT

Since upgrading to and using Revit 2017 (Building Design Suite Premium) we have had three projects (so far) that have somehow lost all the project phases. There is no Existing phase, there is no New Construction phase. You cannot create any new phases. If I import phase settings from another project and then switch a plan to new construction phase (or any phase) the graphic filters still won't work, the spaces disappear, new spaces will not recognize walls and/or space separations.

Up to now, we have not figured out what causes this. Can't recreate it. But, when it happens, the project is pretty much unfixable.

Re: Project Phases Disappeared

Anonymous — Thu, 21 Jul 2016 14:36:40 GMT

Did you try to transfer project standards? Manage tab > Transfer Project Standards > Phase settings

Re: Project Phases Disappeared

Anonymous — Wed, 05 Oct 2016 09:39:21 GMT

Hi,

The same thing happened to me recently. Did you manage to fix it?

Re: Project Phases Disappeared

ArmandD — Wed, 05 Oct 2016 15:31:29 GMT

Yes. Once the phases disappear there seems to be no way to fix the problem. Even if you transfer via "transfer project standards" the project is pretty well corrupted. Tried everything and nothing has worked yet.

Re: Project Phases Disappeared

ArmandD — Wed, 05 Oct 2016 15:41:05 GMT

No. In fact, I was beginning to think it was not happening to anybody else out there!!!

We have not figured a way to repair a project file once the phases disappear. All I was able to come up with is some API code to warn us immediately when it happens so that we can then revert to the latest backup and not lose even more work/time.

Here is the code (hopefully you have someone that can do a little API programming. This checks for the phases missing every time you open a new project, save a project, or do a 'save as' of a project.

I added the "ProjectPhasesCorruptionCheck to the following events:

DocumentSaving

DocumentSavingAS

DocumentOpened

private void ProjectPhasesCorruptionCheck(Document rvtDbDoc)
{
PhaseArray docPhases = rvtDbDoc.Phases;
var phasesOk = docPhases.Size > 0;
if (!phasesOk && !rvtDbDoc.IsFamilyDocument)
{
    TaskDialog.Show("Project Corrupted", "This project is corrupted! The project phases have disappeared! " +
    "Suggest you close the project and check all your backup files " +
    "for a version prior to the corruption.");
}
}

Re: Project Phases Disappeared

ArmandD — Wed, 05 Oct 2016 16:31:10 GMT

pietersbhp, what flavor of Revit where you using at the time? I use Building Design Suite and we do mainly electrical with it. Were you doing any electrical at the time? Like circuiting, lighting, etc.?

Armand

Re: Project Phases Disappeared

Anonymous — Fri, 07 Oct 2016 06:07:08 GMT

Hi,

Thanks for the reply. I was also doing an electrical project when it
happened. I thought that it maby happened when I upgraded the model to
revit 2017 from 2016, but I upgraded it again to check and it did not
happen with the upgrade so it must have happened a while afterwards.

I have another problem on revit 2017 where I can't see my section line, it
doesn't matter what I do nothing works. Then I tried to make a new layout,
apply the same view template and then it works.

I don't know if it is something white 2017 design suite or what but if you
find a solution for the phasing please let me know.

Re: Project Phases Disappeared

S.Jebakumar — Fri, 07 Oct 2016 09:18:47 GMT

Hi @Anonymous,

For Missing Section Line in your Plan view check the link below :-

https://knowledge.autodesk.com/search-result/caas/sfdcarticles/sfdcarticles/Section-marks-are-not-visible-in-all-views.html

This should help.

Regards,

Jebakumar

Re: Project Phases Disappeared

S.Jebakumar — Fri, 07 Oct 2016 09:23:38 GMT

Hi @ArmandD,

Can you Share a Sample revit File,

I would like to try and solve.

And can i know from which version is the upgrade.

Regards,

Jebakumar

Re: Project Phases Disappeared

Anonymous — Fri, 07 Oct 2016 11:42:56 GMT

Thanks

Re: Project Phases Disappeared

m.voss.alvine — Mon, 10 Oct 2016 14:51:00 GMT

we also just had this happened in our MEP model. Strange thing is that we upgraded the project 3 months ago and it just now happened. they still exist in the architectural model.

Re: Project Phases Disappeared

ArmandD — Mon, 10 Oct 2016 15:16:32 GMT

Yes, for us it has nothing to do with upgrading the project. Seems like it can happen at any time in Revit 2017. We have never been able to recreate the issue. When it happens, we are just forced to go back to the latest backup copy.

Re: Project Phases Disappeared

m.voss.alvine — Mon, 10 Oct 2016 15:45:58 GMT

I just tried the Transfer Project Standards, "Phase Settings" from our template file to our current project. It worked for us. Good as new.

Re: Project Phases Disappeared

ArmandD — Mon, 10 Oct 2016 16:01:26 GMT

Interesting. Check carefully. I tried that too a while back and it seems like everything is okay, but try placing a Space. Is it recognizing the walls? How about setting the phase created and phase demolished for devices? Is that working correctly? My biggest problem with that fix is the Spaces would not work correctly. Let me know how it goes!

Re: Project Phases Disappeared

ArmandD — Mon, 10 Oct 2016 16:21:58 GMT

I just tested it again on a corrupted project. The spaces seem to be okay but all of my devices no longer take on the phase filter properly. In other words, things that were demo now look like new work no matter what I set the phase demolished to. Is yours working okay?

Re: Project Phases Disappeared

m.voss.alvine — Mon, 10 Oct 2016 16:26:12 GMT

i just noticed that too. Transfer Project standards brings the Phases back, but the phase overrides are not working. Ill keep you updated.

Re: Project Phases Disappeared

m.voss.alvine — Tue, 11 Oct 2016 14:33:05 GMT

we need autodesk in on this conversation. see if i have covered all of the issues.

phases disappear from the phase dialog box. all options are grayed out. happens to both upgraded projects and 2017 projects.

The phases can be restored from the "Transfer Project Standards"

After restore, graphic overrides for phases do not work.

Phases are no longer able to be applied to spaces. (grayed out)

can anyone narrow down what happened prior to the issue? I think we did a background update prior

Re: Project Phases Disappeared

ArmandD — Tue, 11 Oct 2016 16:11:19 GMT

Sounds like you have summarized the issue pretty well. I would love for Autodesk to look into this!

I have tried going back each time it happened and re-did all the edits and commands but have never been able to recreate it. I think (in a general way) that it is usually when we are circuiting electrical devices - but I cannot guarantee that is what caused it for us.

Re: Project Phases Disappeared

m.voss.alvine — Wed, 12 Oct 2016 14:39:46 GMT

Apparently this has been happening since at least 2015, but not enough to get Autodesk’s interest.

this seems to be a bug that cannot simply be fooled. Phases aren’t supposed to ever disappear, so if this happens, there is no mechanism to reestablish the connection between them and the Revit database. Meaning, you can add phases from a different project but the data base will consider them foreign unable to combine them with the phase(s) that should still have been there.

Re: Project Phases Disappeared

m.voss.alvine — Thu, 27 Oct 2016 21:05:43 GMT

i just found out that there is another issue that this tied to the phasing issue. after loosing phases, we are not longer able to draw sections. the section is created but nothing appears on the floorplan. this has nothing to do with visibility graphics or worksets. if I transfer project standards and transfer phases from a good model, the sections work again.