topic Re: Casework Labels Not Working in Revit Architecture Forum

Casework Labels Not Working

Ed_Cormier — Thu, 02 Dec 2021 16:06:04 GMT

I'm trying to add nested labels into casework families with work-plane based enabled. When loading into a project model group, we get an error message to fix groups when mirroring. This process works for plumbing and appliance families, why doesn't it work for casework families?

Re: Casework Labels Not Working

syman2000 — Thu, 02 Dec 2021 16:15:09 GMT

Is the casework hosted on wall? If yes, it will impact the family. It will work if the family is set to non-hosted or the host wall is in the group.

Re: Casework Labels Not Working

Ed_Cormier — Thu, 02 Dec 2021 16:36:18 GMT

The family is a base cabinet family which is floor hosted.

Re: Casework Labels Not Working

syman2000 — Thu, 02 Dec 2021 16:44:08 GMT

If the floor is not inside the group, this is where you will see fix group message. Group is very picky. Often you have better success with non-hosted object within groups.

Re: Casework Labels Not Working

Ed_Cormier — Thu, 02 Dec 2021 17:02:31 GMT

The problem is as follows:

Work Plane-Based option enabled with labels inserted on work plane = Error

Work Plane-Based option enabled without labels inserted on work plane = No error

Work Plane-Based option off with labels inserted on work plane = No error

The confusing thing is that the problem is isolated to casework families. Plumbing and Specialty families setup the exact same way works just fine. I was hoping to avoid having to recreate all our casework families as plane based families.

Re: Casework Labels Not Working

syman2000 — Thu, 02 Dec 2021 19:14:08 GMT

Can you provide sample group with the casework? I like to test and see if there are other way to edit the family without destroying the group.

Re: Casework Labels Not Working

Ed_Cormier — Thu, 02 Dec 2021 19:55:45 GMT

Attached is the Revit File with the Group in question. We get the error message while trying to mirror the group.

Re: Casework Labels Not Working

ToanDN — Thu, 02 Dec 2021 20:03:55 GMT

What is the purpose of checking Workplane in the casework families? Are you going to place some upside down, or vertically, or on a slope?

Re: Casework Labels Not Working

Ed_Cormier — Thu, 02 Dec 2021 20:38:56 GMT

With the type of projects we do, we often have varying floor construction. When copying unit groups up to a level with a different floor type, we often see the families hosted to the original floor stay at that level...hence getting the message that identical instances are in the same place. Plane-Based families avoids this issue.

Re: Casework Labels Not Working

barthbradley — Thu, 02 Dec 2021 20:57:19 GMT

@Ed_Cormier wrote:
Attached is the Revit File with the Group in question. We get the error message while trying to mirror the group.

Mirror? You can't even place an Instance of the Group, much less Mirror it.

Re: Casework Labels Not Working

Ed_Cormier — Thu, 02 Dec 2021 21:00:54 GMT

For troubleshooting, I've deleted all the casework from the group and then work with trying to place a single cabinet.

Re: Casework Labels Not Working

barthbradley — Thu, 02 Dec 2021 21:05:09 GMT

Why not just fix the Group and then make a two Groups - one a mirror of the other?

Re: Casework Labels Not Working

Ed_Cormier — Thu, 02 Dec 2021 21:07:37 GMT

Because of Client changes occurring often. We don't want have to make changes twice.

Re: Casework Labels Not Working

Ed_Cormier — Thu, 02 Dec 2021 21:10:02 GMT

We have a manual solution that uses multi-category tags keyed to type comments. So, with that being said, we've got to move on, unless there's an actual solution/ workaround.

Re: Casework Labels Not Working

barthbradley — Thu, 02 Dec 2021 21:24:18 GMT

@Ed_Cormier wrote:
Because of Client changes occurring often. We don't want have to make changes twice.

Changes? Are you even able to place an Instance of this Group? The darn thing is blowing up on me. Seems to me that would be the priority. That is, getting one to work right first, rather than figuring out how to best handle future possible changes to the Group/configuration.

Re: Casework Labels Not Working

Ed_Cormier — Thu, 02 Dec 2021 21:42:48 GMT

As I've stated, we need to move on. Thanks for your efforts. On another note, if you still want to work on it, I've attached the same file with all the casework removed from the group. This will not blowup on you. You can then try to add one of the cabinets with the labels and see what our issues are.

Re: Casework Labels Not Working

syman2000 — Thu, 02 Dec 2021 21:47:54 GMT

I manage to look at what is wrong. I would check off these in the cabinet families.

Also you have constraints built into the group. This will cause it to break.

Re: Casework Labels Not Working

Ed_Cormier — Thu, 02 Dec 2021 21:52:04 GMT

I know about this solution. This is stated in message 5 in this chain. By turning the feature off, we're forced to host them to the floor and run into issues when copying them up to a level with a different floor type.

Re: Casework Labels Not Working

syman2000 — Thu, 02 Dec 2021 22:00:14 GMT

This is a tradeoff. If you want it to mirror properly, then that workplane need to turn off unless it is hosted on something and that something is part of the group. Right now that workplane casework is host to nothing. When you mirror, Revit doesn't know what that casework host when it mirror and it force you to create new group.

Re: Casework Labels Not Working

Ed_Cormier — Thu, 02 Dec 2021 22:04:12 GMT

That's not correct, because without the label everything works. It's only when the label is nested into the casework family that Revit has the issue.