topic Re: Replace a demolished component with new in same location. in Revit Architecture Forum

Replace a demolished component with new in same location.

dave_perkin — Wed, 15 Dec 2021 08:59:58 GMT

Lets say you want to remove an existing door or window and replace it with a new one in the exact same location - this only seems to be possible by drawing temporary lines to mark where the existing door/window was and therefore give you a line to place the new door/window on. Why cant there be a demolish and replace tool so that your old door shows dotted on your demolition drawing and your new door is in the same location ie in the opening you have left. Seems like an obvious thing to me??

Re: Replace a demolished component with new in same location.

RDAOU — Wed, 15 Dec 2021 09:24:05 GMT

@dave_perkin wrote:
Lets say you want to remove an existing door or window and replace it with a new one in the exact same location - this only seems to be possible by drawing temporary lines to mark where the existing door/window was and therefore give you a line to place the new door/window on. Why cant there be a demolish and replace tool so that your old door shows dotted on your demolition drawing and your new door is in the same location ie in the opening you have left. Seems like an obvious thing to me??

@dave_perkin

It is a simple task and does not really require a new option

Phase the Door (Created: Existing - Demolished: New Construction)
Set View Phase to New Construction >>> Copy the Existing/Demolished Door and Past aligned to Same Place

Nothing there to complain about

Re: Replace a demolished component with new in same location.

dave_perkin — Wed, 15 Dec 2021 09:35:52 GMT

That's fine but the new door looks exactly like the old one ie same handind, same swing. I want the new door to look completely different, different handing, double swing instead of single.

David

Re: Replace a demolished component with new in same location.

RDAOU — Wed, 15 Dec 2021 09:46:33 GMT

@dave_perkin

After you paste aligned >>> Change its type to which ever type you have loaded...Single/Double/Sliding

Re: Replace a demolished component with new in same location.

dave_perkin — Wed, 15 Dec 2021 09:56:36 GMT

Thanks - yes I realised this was where you were going with it. Soloution works I just think its a bit long winded and could be simplified with a new function. Thanks for your help#

David

Re: Replace a demolished component with new in same location.

RobDraw — Wed, 15 Dec 2021 11:58:36 GMT

Long winded?

How do you think it could be faster?

Re: Replace a demolished component with new in same location.

kadmonkee — Wed, 15 Dec 2021 12:45:21 GMT

@RobDraw

simply by you not inserting yourself into a thread that was already solved would surely make things faster.

I came here to see the solution.

Re: Replace a demolished component with new in same location.

RobDraw — Wed, 15 Dec 2021 12:54:31 GMT

Go take a flying leap you hypocrite.

Re: Replace a demolished component with new in same location.

dave_perkin — Wed, 15 Dec 2021 12:55:52 GMT

Ok so at the moment you have to do the following:-

1. Pick door
2. CTRL to copy
3. Pick hammer or right click
4. Set it to be demolished in new
5. Move to proposed (if you aren't there already there)
6. Paste in place
7. Pick match properties
8. Pick door you want
9. Pick door to change
What I think would be useful would be to do the following

1. Pick demolish & change tool
2. Pick door to be demolished
3. Pick new door type
This is clearly a lot easier and more efficient. You could call it demoreplace or something similar
David

Re: Replace a demolished component with new in same location.

dave_perkin — Wed, 15 Dec 2021 12:58:52 GMT

Chill out guys its almost christmas

Re: Replace a demolished component with new in same location.

RobDraw — Wed, 15 Dec 2021 13:33:45 GMT

That's a great idea. Did you know there's a forum for that?

Re: Replace a demolished component with new in same location.

p_barnett — Mon, 09 Oct 2023 16:53:15 GMT

This is how we've been doing it, but all I'm getting in this project is "Instance(s) of 620x690 not cutting anything."

(That's a window in this version.)

Pasting to the same place isn't working. Sometimes we can't even create a new window anywhere on the same wall without that error. I had to delete the first one that did work before it would let me create any others.

I've been pasting it to the side and sliding it into position. If I go all the way there I get the 'not cutting' error.

When I'm nearly there, I can use the 'select primary host' button, and select the phased infill. Then move the window into position. But that doesn't always work either.

Any ideas why it's not working in the first place? The original came from a surveying company and then via another architects, but not sure how you can mess up inserting an existing window.

Thanks

Re: Replace a demolished component with new in same location.

SteveKStafford — Mon, 09 Oct 2023 19:49:59 GMT

My blog post might address what is happening with your windows if they use a void to cut the host wall instead of an opening. When a family uses a void it causes strange errors or warnings when doing window or door replacement and the replacement is the same size as the original.

As for the OP (which is an old question)... in my case I find I rarely need to put another door back in the same spot so workflow optimization for window or door replacement is probably too niche (for me at least) to attract the development team's attention but it might be interesting to a 3rd party developer?

Re: Replace a demolished component with new in same location.

p_barnett — Tue, 10 Oct 2023 08:25:59 GMT

Thanks @SteveKStafford.

I've had a look and yes the family has a void or two. (Read the blog thanks.)

We were replacing the demolished family with the same family and planning on changing the type later.

What was odd is that after the first replacement worked, we couldn't insert any window anywhere on that wall. Expanding the error highlighted the first replacement window, so it didn't like how that was installed. I deleted and redid that one and we got a step further.

The way I've solved it is to place the new window somewhere else on the wall and slide it along till I get the 'not cutting' error. Then switching to a 3D view, use the select new host and select the phased wall infill. I can then move the new window over the old.

I've not tried the void vs opening family switch yet. Someone else in the office is following behind me once I've got the phased window correct.

Cheers

Re: Replace a demolished component with new in same location.

SteveKStafford — Wed, 11 Oct 2023 17:11:57 GMT

Any families placed in the wall are vulnerable to future editing when families using a void are present. If you alter the length of the wall, edit the profile, change the base or top constraint, and/or add a window/door you may find Revit generating a warning that "elements will be deleted". At this time, it seems, the only way to avoid that vulnerability is to use families with openings instead of voids. That assumes doing replacement work, replacing existing with new elements that are the same size or very nearly the same size and same location.

Re: Replace a demolished component with new in same location.

SteveKStafford — Wed, 08 Jan 2025 17:15:25 GMT

Already replied to this...earlier, nevermind...