topic Re: Stud Wall in Revit Architecture Forum

Stud Wall

jinergoh721 — Wed, 27 Apr 2022 23:09:15 GMT

Hi,

How to model a steel stud wall in revit according to diagram shown below?

I think I should use C channel for Stud and U track.

Re: Stud Wall

barthbradley — Wed, 27 Apr 2022 23:37:57 GMT

Curtain Wall with Studs as Mullions and empty space between studs as Empty System Panels. Or, use Beams and Columns.

Here's the gist of the Curtain Wall approach:

...then start adding Grids/Mullions. Going to be a lot of work though. It would be even for the best of us.

....FYI: If this is typical work for you, there is better software. Strucsoft, AGACAD, etc. Expensive though. Like Revit-Expensive.

Re: Stud Wall

jinergoh721 — Thu, 28 Apr 2022 08:40:07 GMT

I think using Structural column would be easier? But just for the track (horizontal beam, we call it track for stud frame), i couldnt figure out how to do it ? Maybe free form extrusion?

Re: Stud Wall

Martijn.Pater — Thu, 28 Apr 2022 10:56:43 GMT

It might be easy to draw it as model lines first on some refplane and then snap structural framing families to those (pick lines w. 3D snapping). I sometimes find that useful/handy for creating a frame. Sort of like an in-place truss family.

Re: Stud Wall

jinergoh721 — Tue, 03 May 2022 04:26:25 GMT

I will try using Beams & Columns, for stud track use Model a component> model in place> Create>extrusion with reference plane on.

Re: Stud Wall

ToanDN — Wed, 04 May 2022 18:33:06 GMT

@jinergoh721 wrote:
I will try using Beams & Columns, for stud track use Model a component> model in place> Create>extrusion with reference plane on.

That is a hard way to do it. It is easier using curtain walls: vertical mullions for studs, horizontal mullions for tracks, headers, sills.

Re: Stud Wall

jinergoh721 — Wed, 04 May 2022 22:44:56 GMT

Hi,

Can you share more resources and steps on how to do it?

I can't seem to find a tutorial to start with....

Jiner.

Re: Stud Wall

ToanDN — Wed, 04 May 2022 22:58:43 GMT

@jinergoh721 wrote:

Hi,

Can you share more resources and steps on how to do it?

I can't seem to find a tutorial to start with....

TQ

Jiner.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaStdna1NMw

Re: Stud Wall

jinergoh721 — Wed, 04 May 2022 23:16:56 GMT

Hi,

Thanks for your help, sincerely.

But I stucked at this, the curtain panel is solid instead of empty like in a stud frame. I followed the settings, not sure if I missed out anything.

TQ,

Jiner

Re: Stud Wall

ToanDN — Wed, 04 May 2022 23:43:04 GMT

Set the curtain wall type to use Empty System panel type.

Re: Stud Wall

jinergoh721 — Thu, 05 May 2022 01:05:10 GMT

Hi,

Not that I want the outer part to be Insulation layer in between wall panels, but empty air for inside the windows, how can I fix it up?

Jiner

Re: Stud Wall

ToanDN — Thu, 05 May 2022 01:07:34 GMT

- Add curtain grids around the window opening

- Tab on each grid segment inside the opening and Remove segment from ribbon menu

- When done you will have an opening without any studs inside

Re: Stud Wall

jinergoh721 — Thu, 05 May 2022 04:57:35 GMT

Hi,

Look there's some glitch here even though I put empty panel, may I know how to fix it.

Re: Stud Wall

ToanDN — Thu, 05 May 2022 05:41:34 GMT

Use Empty System Panel, not Empty Panel. They are different and the former works for non rectangular shapes but the latter does not.

Re: Stud Wall

jinergoh721 — Thu, 05 May 2022 05:51:41 GMT

I'm using Australia revit family, it doesnt seems to have empty system panel, only have empty panel

Jiner

Re: Stud Wall

jinergoh721 — Thu, 05 May 2022 06:28:04 GMT

I tried both methods,
Curtain wall method is definitely more suitable for stud frame,
Then your approach is probably more relevant for floor beam framing.

Still having some glitch on curtain wall —-stud frame approach, maybe gonna
just leave it there.

TQ,
Jiner

Re: Stud Wall

ToanDN — Thu, 05 May 2022 06:33:08 GMT

Create a new project from the Architectural template and transfer project standards > curtain wall/panel to bring Empty System Panel type in yours.

Re: Stud Wall

jinergoh721 — Fri, 06 May 2022 05:39:44 GMT

I have a friend who thinks it's not necessary to model Stud frame in revit,

but perhaps trace stud frame google drawings in 2D, I just wanna ask how do you think about it?

3D or 2D?

But now I find 3D there's a whole lot of glitch when it comes to placing windows & doors, though I follow the steps in tutorial video.

Re: Stud Wall

jinergoh721 — Fri, 06 May 2022 05:37:06 GMT

I watched this:

transfer project standard,

https://knowledge.autodesk.com/support/revit/learn-explore/caas/CloudHelp/cloudhelp/2018/ENU/Revit-Customize/files/GUID-2A49FE80-1B07-4C95-A0FE-42CE2001F3C2-htm.html

Cant seem to find DWG/ DXF in my template settings.

Please share some relevant videos or resources instead of verbal for some case it's hard to get WDYM cuz I never do these settings b4, thnx.

Jiner.

Re: Stud Wall

ToanDN — Sun, 08 May 2022 16:12:00 GMT

@jinergoh721 wrote:

I have a friend who thinks it's not necessary to model Stud frame in revit,

but perhaps trace stud frame google drawings in 2D, I just wanna ask how do you think about it?

3D or 2D?

But now I find 3D there's a whole lot of glitch when it comes to placing windows & doors, though I follow the steps in tutorial video.

It depends on the intent of your models. I don't show stud framing in my architectural models but my subcontractors show them in their construction models. I have standard drafting details showing stud framing criteria and all typical conditions, and unique details (mostly 2D, sometimes 3D) from the actual model to show unique conditions.

Even though your friend opinion is not wrong per se, if I were you I wouldn't base my work on a friend's opinion, or on an internet forum opinion, but on the industry standards where you work.