topic Re: Incorrect and inconsistent wrapping of insert in wall in Revit Architecture Forum

Incorrect and inconsistent wrapping of insert in wall

EricaConcolino_Symetri — Fri, 27 May 2022 00:25:02 GMT

I am trying to build a wall hosted shower niche family, and allow the wall layers to wrap around the shower niche. This should be a simple task, but I am finding totally unexpected behavior with this family. I have tried several iterations of the family, as different categories, different construction of solid and voids, but it is still not working.

So I decided to make a very simple wall hosted family that was only a void, no solid geometry in it, and the results were the same; I've tried this in 2019-2022 versions, all with the same results.

I've included a screencast to exhibit this strange behavior.

Is this a critical design flaw within the program, or am I missing a critical step? I'm an expert Revit user, but this is really driving me insane.

https://screencast.autodesk.com/Main/Details/d2e3799a-7ac6-4d7b-a3ae-632133b5f85e

Re: Incorrect and inconsistent wrapping of insert in wall

barthbradley — Thu, 26 May 2022 23:57:33 GMT

I don't see any Wall Closure Ref. Planes in the Family.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssFcdXr05Ks

Re: Incorrect and inconsistent wrapping of insert in wall

EricaConcolino_Symetri — Thu, 26 May 2022 23:59:52 GMT

It seems like the screencast isn't posting for some reason. I go through both options of including wall closure and not including wall closure.

Re: Incorrect and inconsistent wrapping of insert in wall

ToanDN — Fri, 27 May 2022 00:29:13 GMT

It seems Wall Closure only works properly with Opening Cut, not Void.

For 3D and elevation, paint the surfaces of the wall niche?

Re: Incorrect and inconsistent wrapping of insert in wall

EricaConcolino_Symetri — Fri, 27 May 2022 00:33:05 GMT

Painting isn't really a solution, as it doesn't address the wrapping issue. I have no issues with assigning materials to any of the geometry, this is more a question about functionality of the program rather than figuring out workarounds.

I need to be able to say to the client that this is either a limitation of the program so we won't do wrapping at inserts on the affected walls so that this condition doesn't occur, or find an actual solution. I'm trying to identify if this is in fact a limitation of the program.

Re: Incorrect and inconsistent wrapping of insert in wall

ToanDN — Fri, 27 May 2022 00:55:37 GMT

@EricaConcolino_Symetri wrote:

Painting isn't really a solution, as it doesn't address the wrapping issue. I have no issues with assigning materials to any of the geometry, this is more a question about functionality of the program rather than figuring out workarounds.

I need to be able to say to the client that this is either a limitation of the program so we won't do wrapping at inserts on the affected walls so that this condition doesn't occur, or find an actual solution. I'm trying to identify if this is in fact a limitation of the program.

You are able to tell the client that using a wall based void family to cut a wall yields undesired wall wrap results. Meanwhile, using a face based void to cut the wall is somewhat acceptable, depending on the depth of the void versus the wall finish layer thickness.

Re: Incorrect and inconsistent wrapping of insert in wall

barthbradley — Fri, 27 May 2022 01:12:07 GMT

Nest the Niche Family into a Window Family RFT and load into Project. Works fabulously.

....one more for comparison - a No Wrap Condition: