topic Re: Graphic Setting for Column in Revit Architecture Forum

Graphic Setting for Column

hliS658H — Tue, 03 Jan 2023 21:26:33 GMT

I have a Graphic question - the column has a solid color fill but loses the color once it is next to a wall. How to change the setting to keep the solid color fill of the column? Thanks.

Re: Graphic Setting for Column

linkboy — Tue, 03 Jan 2023 21:33:07 GMT

use structural column

Re: Graphic Setting for Column

barthbradley — Tue, 03 Jan 2023 21:37:12 GMT

Unjoin.

Re: Graphic Setting for Column

hliS658H — Tue, 03 Jan 2023 21:53:51 GMT

Good advice.

I went ahead to change the column family setting, unchecked "Automatically joins geometry to walls" and problem was solved.

Re: Graphic Setting for Column

hliS658H — Tue, 03 Jan 2023 21:52:37 GMT

I tried to use structural column, but the column's base level was set to site level instead of ground level, whenever I manually change it to ground level, it gave me error messages.

Re: Graphic Setting for Column

ToanDN — Tue, 03 Jan 2023 21:54:31 GMT

If the columns are structural then I would use structural column instead of architectural columns as per @linkboy . Architectural columns with automatic joining to wall are useful to create decorative feature, column furring, bump-outs, odd and end conditions of a wall.

Re: Graphic Setting for Column

ToanDN — Tue, 03 Jan 2023 22:40:09 GMT

Choose Height instead of Depth when place structural columns.

Re: Graphic Setting for Column

hliS658H — Wed, 04 Jan 2023 19:31:45 GMT

Just to verify, the structural column from the drop down menu of Architecture/Column is for load bearing column, whereas Column: Architectural is used for "fake" column such as the furrout of the column?

Re: Graphic Setting for Column

hliS658H — Wed, 04 Jan 2023 19:34:38 GMT

This is a good link about the difference of structural and architectural columns.

Help | Video: Place Columns | Autodesk

Re: Graphic Setting for Column

barthbradley — Wed, 04 Jan 2023 19:34:49 GMT

8 Tips to Understand Columns in Revit — REVIT PURE

Re: Graphic Setting for Column

ToanDN — Wed, 04 Jan 2023 19:37:12 GMT

@hliS658H wrote:

Just to verify, the structural column from the pull down menu of Architecture/Column is for load bearing column, whereas Column: Architectural is used for "fake" column such as the furrout of the column?

Yes you got it.

Architectural columns that join with walls automatically are very handy in a lot of cases (we use stretchable architectural columns quite extensively for existing wall conditions with of bumps allover the place), but what you show there are definitely structural.

Re: Graphic Setting for Column

hliS658H — Wed, 04 Jan 2023 20:18:53 GMT

Yes, these are structural columns and I don't think architectural columns are needed here. I can change the base level without any issues now. But I do not see where I can change it graphically, such as solid color fill, as I did for architectural column family.

Re: Graphic Setting for Column

hliS658H — Wed, 04 Jan 2023 20:20:52 GMT

What advice do you have for this situation?

Re: Graphic Setting for Column

ToanDN — Wed, 04 Jan 2023 20:22:55 GMT

@hliS658H wrote:

Yes, these are structural columns and I don't think architectural columns are needed here. I can change the base level without any issues now. But I do not see where I can change it graphically, such as solid color fill, as I did for architectural column family.

Re: Graphic Setting for Column

ToanDN — Wed, 04 Jan 2023 20:23:37 GMT

@hliS658H wrote:

What advice do you have for this situation?

Join geometry.

Re: Graphic Setting for Column

hliS658H — Wed, 04 Jan 2023 20:24:28 GMT

I saw this thread, looks like no easy solution yet?

https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/revit-ideas/cut-wall-end-at-an-angle/idi-p/6325434#comments

Re: Graphic Setting for Column

ToanDN — Wed, 04 Jan 2023 20:34:07 GMT

@hliS658H wrote:

I saw this thread, looks like no easy solution yet?

https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/revit-ideas/cut-wall-end-at-an-angle/idi-p/6325434#comments

I am not understanding the difficulty. Is it what you want? Again, Join geometry the structural column and the architectural wall.

Re: Graphic Setting for Column

barthbradley — Wed, 04 Jan 2023 20:36:15 GMT

@hliS658H wrote:
What advice do you have for this situation?

Join Geometry -- in the correct Join Order.

...Join Geometry removes volume at union.

Re: Graphic Setting for Column

hliS658H — Wed, 04 Jan 2023 20:56:06 GMT

Actually, no issue for Structural Column, no need to join structural column and architectural wall; For Architectural Column, if join, then the architectural column will have the same graphics as the wall. So, have to use structural column when they don't meet in a perpendicular way.

Problem after problem, I edit a structural column to have a corner cut off, the new family has the hatch pattern, however it loses the hatch pattern once I upload it into the project model; I haven't changed anything except the shape. Both families are attached here.

Re: Graphic Setting for Column

hliS658H — Wed, 04 Jan 2023 21:01:07 GMT

In this situation, it doesn't matter the join order; it doesn't work for architectural column. No "join geometry" is needed for structural column. So have to use structural column here.