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Schedule - Wall Material calculate problem (for Wall Layer)

Anonymous — Fri, 16 Jan 2015 12:09:17 GMT

Hi Forum Users,

I have just done "Edit Assembly for a wall" as you see the attachment.

I was edited layers by use "Modify Verticel Structure/Split, Reveal,Assign Layer and Modify"

I make Terracotta layer's Top and bottom level. Section view was right but Schedule didn't calculate this top and bottom terracotta level.

Only calc. wall hight (1510mm.) => 1,51mt x 1,00mt. (lenght) = 1,51m2

But it must be this => Total lenght of terracotta (0,36+1,51+0,4)mt x lenght (1,00mt) = 2,27m2

Help me plaese, thank you.

Re: Schedule - Wall Material calculate problem (for Wall Layer)

Anonymous — Mon, 19 Jan 2015 08:04:12 GMT

Anybody dont know ?

Re: Schedule - Wall Material calculate problem (for Wall Layer)

Alisder.Brown — Mon, 19 Jan 2015 15:52:51 GMT

Hey swstk

You are going to have to explain in more detail what you have done and what you are looking to do.

It is not very clear from your description or image what the problem is.

Thanks

Re: Schedule - Wall Material calculate problem (for Wall Layer)

Anonymous — Mon, 19 Jan 2015 17:02:09 GMT

Hi Alisder,

Thank you, for your answer.

My problem is simple actually. I want to a wall edit and calculate finish layer area.
Finish layer (like terracotta or aluminium cover) have "top and bottom swap/turn" like attachement.
But schedules calculate area only wall's (length X height => 1000x1510= 1,51m2) area.
Schedules does not calculate "top and bottom swap/turn". (360+400)x1000=0,144m2
Section view is right but calculate is wrong.

Right result => 1,51m2 + 0,144m2 = 1,654m2
Schedule resutl => Only 1,51m2

I hope to be describe.

Re: Schedule - Wall Material calculate problem (for Wall Layer)

constantin.stroescu — Mon, 19 Jan 2015 22:00:11 GMT

I think here is a misunderstand..it is not a return of the finish material on the bottom and on the top of the wall as it seems to be, but a simple different -variable thicknes of the material..

As you can see in my first screen capture , in material Takeof Schedule Areas a not changed but Volume are

In my second screen capture I used Modify > Unlocked Layer and then moving the arrow of the layer you will see that both Area and Volume are changing..

Re: Schedule - Wall Material calculate problem (for Wall Layer)

Anonymous — Tue, 20 Jan 2015 09:33:47 GMT

Thank you, for your answer Constantin.

I understant this method does not run i want to way.

Your explain very helpfull for how unlock layer work.

Well, Is there a different method i want to calculate? I think my section view clear. My wall (or different method) is "C type".

It have "Front+Bottom+Top" measure and i want to calculate (all of them measure) x (total length) = Area.

Hoe do you think use method. Wall (does not run), Curtain wall, Generic Model etc.

Thanky you.

Re: Schedule - Wall Material calculate problem (for Wall Layer)

constantin.stroescu — Tue, 20 Jan 2015 13:40:04 GMT

A U shaped wall with scheduled Layers can be obtained using Component > Model in Place with Sub Categories , Materials and Parameters.....

The result is something like in the attached file..

Changing parameter values will do changes into Area and Volume values of the wall materials- as can be seen in my screencast:

https://screencast.autodesk.com/Main/Details/a6fd938c-bb58-44df-aee9-6dd5901db38d

I'll make a description of the process aftter office time.....

Re: Schedule - Wall Material calculate problem (for Wall Layer)

Anonymous — Tue, 20 Jan 2015 15:59:23 GMT

Thank you for your answer Constantin,

It is very helpfull. Im happy to be explain for my problem. 😄

I will be waiting look forward to your description of the process.

Thank you.

Re: Schedule - Wall Material calculate problem (for Wall Layer)

constantin.stroescu — Tue, 20 Jan 2015 18:51:50 GMT

I've made a screencast on the subject of the C shaped wall. I've considered the hight of the wall between two levels.

The screencast begins with the already made wall and continues with the construction of it from scratch....

I hope it will help you...

https://screencast.autodesk.com/Main/Details/21cbbc65-ae14-478e-b9d5-5c4b956bcfb4

Re: Schedule - Wall Material calculate problem (for Wall Layer)

Anonymous — Wed, 21 Jan 2015 07:50:12 GMT

Your work is very helpfull.

Thank you for your attention Master 😄

Re: Schedule - Wall Material calculate problem (for Wall Layer)

Anonymous — Wed, 21 Jan 2015 10:09:25 GMT

I have a question. Material Area calculate's is not work right.
Revit calculate total surface area for a material object.

exp. 1mt x 1mt x 1mt cube single view area' is 1mt2, but revit total material area calculate 1m2 x 6 surface = 6m2

Unfortunately i need to a single/seciton view area.

As your project U-wall (attached). "Tile,Mosaic,Gray" 's is Material area is 8,78m2 (as you see project material take off)

Finish cover section view is total dimension (70+2,70+70=4,1mt) and wall length (1,0mt)
Use the this dimension and calculate area is 4,1mt x 1,0mt = 4,1m2 Right result. (Not 8,78m2)

Have you a solution for this situation, thank you.

Re: Schedule - Wall Material calculate problem (for Wall Layer)

Anonymous — Wed, 21 Jan 2015 10:39:32 GMT

I have a question. Material Area calculate's is not work right.
Revit calculate total surface area for a material object.

exp. 1mt x 1mt x 1mt cube single view area' is 1mt2, but revit total material area calculate 1m2 x 6 surface = 6m2

Unfortunately i need to a single/seciton view area.

As your project U-wall (attached). "Tile,Mosaic,Gray" 's is Material area is 8,78m2 (as you see project material take off)

Finish cover section view is total dimension (70+2,70+70=4,1mt) and wall length (1,0mt)
Use the this dimension and calculate area is 4,1mt x 1,0mt = 4,1m2 Right result. (Not 8,78m2)

Have you a solution for this situation, thank you.

Re: Schedule - Wall Material calculate problem (for Wall Layer)

constantin.stroescu — Wed, 21 Jan 2015 13:40:39 GMT

yes,you are right. Revit calculates the area as the whole perimeter of the finish layer multipled with Wall Length

In order to make a usable area calculation as you want, we need to make a slight adjustment:

change parameters into Shared Parameters ( so to be able to list them into schedule)
in schedule, make a Calculated Value Field - something like this: [Level Height + 2*(Wdepth+FinThick)]*Length

I'll make a screencast after office time....

Re: Schedule - Wall Material calculate problem (for Wall Layer)

Anonymous — Wed, 21 Jan 2015 13:45:46 GMT

I see and thank you answer.
I was hoping to have a different solution. 🙂

Re: Schedule - Wall Material calculate problem (for Wall Layer)

constantin.stroescu — Wed, 21 Jan 2015 22:42:30 GMT

a Field called FinishSurface using the formula : (StrHeight + 2 * StrThick + 2 * StrDepth) * WLengthh in which the parameters are Shared Parameters will control the surface of the finishes for the Wall created by Model in Place
for Basic Walls , the Material Area calculation is OK
for these reasons, I suggest using two different material schedules ( in fact it is the same one but controled by filters)

Create Shared Parameters:

Create Calculated Value - FinishSurface:

The basic Material Takeoff will look like this:

After Duplicating the schedule and applieng Filter , results two lists - one for Basic Walls and one for special C Walls:

I have attached the work file....