topic Re: Nested curtain panels in wrong phase, don't change with parent in Revit Architecture Forum

Nested curtain panels in wrong phase, don't change with parent

Anonymous — Tue, 16 Feb 2016 19:34:12 GMT

I have a curtain wall composed of an outer curtain wall family (for perimeter conditions) and the panel of that family type is a second curtain wall family (for mullions and panels). It models perfectly, except that the mullions and panels in the inner curtain wall family don't respond to the phase-created property of the outer curtain wall family. The inner curtain system does adopt the correct phase-created, but the elements inside the inner curtain system do not. And, of course, since these are curtain elements, the phase-created property is grayed out so I cannot mofidy directly.

Is there any way to trick Revit into fixing this bug?

(don't tell me about using a single curtain wall family for this, it won't solve my problem.)

Re: Nested curtain panels in wrong phase, don't change with parent

Judy_S — Thu, 18 Feb 2016 19:10:59 GMT

Hi, Chris,

I'm Judy, a Revit specialist, and I saw you have a question about nested curtain wall families and thier phasing properties. I'll be glad to see if I can help you with this question. I didn't quite understand what you meant by "The inner curtain system does adopt the correct phase-created, but the elements inside the inner curtain system do not" so I wonder if you can clarify that for me. If you could also post the family with the nested family inside it, I'll have a look at it.

Cheers,

Judy Staicer

Re: Nested curtain panels in wrong phase, don't change with parent

Anonymous — Thu, 18 Feb 2016 19:14:53 GMT

See in attached that the inner curtain wall does not change its phase to match the host, and I cannot modify it manually.

Re: Nested curtain panels in wrong phase, don't change with parent

ToanDN — Thu, 18 Feb 2016 23:33:26 GMT

I donlt know why it happened but you can cut and paste in the same place then it will be fixed.

Re: Nested curtain panels in wrong phase, don't change with parent

Anonymous — Fri, 19 Feb 2016 00:28:52 GMT

Well, that sucks if you have them tagged or dimensioned, but I guess at least it's a fix. Definitely a bug that should be addressed though.

Thanks -

Re: Nested curtain panels in wrong phase, don't change with parent

ToanDN — Fri, 19 Feb 2016 19:41:39 GMT

I can replicate it:
- Draw a curtain wall in Phase 1
- Unlock a component (panel, frame, or mullion)
- Change the unlocked component to a different type
- Change the curtain wall to Phase 2

Result?
The modified component stays in Phase 1.

Re: Nested curtain panels in wrong phase, don't change with parent

Anonymous — Thu, 06 Oct 2016 22:15:54 GMT

Cut and paste didn't solve my problem BUT using the Match Properties Tool on the offending individual panels did!

Re: Nested curtain panels in wrong phase, don't change with parent

Anonymous — Wed, 11 Apr 2018 19:57:39 GMT

Thanks Toan for letting us know the solution to yet another obscure Revit bug!

Re: Nested curtain panels in wrong phase, don't change with parent

mg3QPDZ — Mon, 29 Nov 2021 13:07:01 GMT

Writing in 2021, using Revit 2022. The problem persists.

Re: Nested curtain panels in wrong phase, don't change with parent

nadyaFCW3U — Mon, 06 Dec 2021 15:51:21 GMT

Try to use Storefront instead of Curtain wall.

I had the same issue in my project. Converting the curtain walls to storefront solved the problem. I use Revit 2021.

Re: Nested curtain panels in wrong phase, don't change with parent

ahannerX5E95 — Fri, 01 Apr 2022 14:15:56 GMT

@ToanDN Is there a workaround for the error received when trying to cut and paste? (attached image, Revit 2021)

Re: Nested curtain panels in wrong phase, don't change with parent

StewardsDD — Mon, 04 Apr 2022 18:50:45 GMT

Autodesk posted that they are investigating and suggest the copy/paste-in-same-place method as the workaround.

Nested curtain wall elements do not change when wall phase is changed in Revit | Revit 2019 | Autodesk Knowledge Network

Re: Nested curtain panels in wrong phase, don't change with parent

Roger_SkullestadT2QHB — Fri, 28 Apr 2023 11:57:02 GMT

It shouldn't be needed for these bugs to stay there for 10 years without being addressed when people keep sending in reports and detailed ways to replicate the issue. The copy paste does not work for all situations since you cant cut paste the inner parts of a curtain wall like that - and if I cut paste the whole curtain wall it actually worsened the situation making more of the elements 'new construction'. The match properties simply dont work as well as there is nothing to match it to - every 'nested' element of that same type becomes 'new construction'

Re: Nested curtain panels in wrong phase, don't change with parent

ToanDN — Fri, 28 Apr 2023 17:15:27 GMT

@Roger_SkullestadT2QHB wrote:

It shouldn't be needed for these bugs to stay there for 10 years without being addressed when people keep sending in reports and detailed ways to replicate the issue. The copy paste does not work for all situations since you cant cut paste the inner parts of a curtain wall like that - and if I cut paste the whole curtain wall it actually worsened the situation making more of the elements 'new construction'. The match properties simply dont work as well as there is nothing to match it to - every 'nested' element of that same type becomes 'new construction'

You need to split the main curtain wall where the phase breaks, select curtain wall segments, cut, and paste them in a view under the phase you need them in.

Re: Nested curtain panels in wrong phase, don't change with parent

Bryce_Brown — Tue, 27 Jun 2023 18:13:56 GMT

It seems like this issue was not resolved in the 2023 release--will it be included in 2024? Why are customers being used as lab rats.

Re: Nested curtain panels in wrong phase, don't change with parent

phillip_bridges — Thu, 30 May 2024 17:10:11 GMT

Yes i am having the same problem in revit 2023, i cant cut and paste because it will break too many things. Is there another solution

Re: Nested curtain panels in wrong phase, don't change with parent

gibbsjv — Thu, 07 Nov 2024 16:05:55 GMT

Using Revit 2025, problem is still here