topic Re: Wall Joints in Revit Architecture Forum

Wall Joints

Anonymous — Sun, 24 Jul 2016 11:55:19 GMT

there are two perpendicular double brick walls, which have a 40 mm gap in between them. I want to make them join like the image below, with each layer being continuous unlike what Revit gives me. I have used a wall joins command but had NOT worked out for me.

Re: Wall Joints

RDAOU — Sun, 24 Jul 2016 14:49:26 GMT

The layers of the walls (Masonry & Masonry Brick) are of two different materials they wont join the way you want them to...

You have several options...example...Duplicate wall type (Double Brick 270) and make the internal wall (highlighted in the image below) of two similar material (Masonry) to that of the internal layer of the perpendicular wall to which they are joining or should be joining

Re: Wall Joints

Anonymous — Tue, 26 Jul 2016 05:47:57 GMT

I have tried your advice and this is what I see which is different to what I need. The reason why I sometime slike to double post is to draw more attention to an issue which is tricky and could benefit the community as well as me . It appears many members have overlooked this post because maybe a couple times which I was tired I posted simple questions which branded me as a novice with worthless questions.

Re: Wall Joints

RDAOU — Tue, 26 Jul 2016 06:19:01 GMT

U Need to use more than one wall and more than one type ... and you Need to explore more 🙂

example: In the Image below I used 2 wall types

Types 1&2 are similar...I aligned those with the layer of the internal wall
Closed the external gap with a wall type 3 which consist of only 1 layer of the same material as that of the external wall exterior layer
Joined the external layer to each other

another way is to compose the walls from two types joined together...the above is easier

Re: Wall Joints

Gary_J_Orr — Tue, 26 Jul 2016 19:02:43 GMT

In addition to the materials you must also pay attention to the "Function" of the layer. The selections on this first column in the wall type editor do make a difference as they assign additional priorities to the clean-up solution.

In the attached image:

Wall type 1 has the same wall materials for the interior and exterior layers and are assigned to the same function: Finish 1 [4], with an air layer assigned to the Thermal/Air Layer [3]

Wall type 2 is the same except that the exterior layer is assigned to the function: Finish 2 [5].

By assigning the exterior wythe to a different priority we tell Revit to treat that layer differently. Play with those values (Function and material) and you will see the many different combinations that are achievable.

Re: Wall Joints

Anonymous — Sun, 31 Jul 2016 10:18:52 GMT

PLEASE HELP. This is the result I get . It doesn't look right and I am SURE I have followed every piece of advice pedantically. a while ago I was told I should do begginers course but now I realise its just Revit whch wants to be user unfrielndly and complicated. I have attached the file for perusal

Re: Wall Joints

Alfredo_Medina — Mon, 01 Aug 2016 05:50:04 GMT

If you want the cavity of one wall to automatically join with the cavity of another wall at an intersection, change the properties of the wall type, making that cavity the only layer in the core. Revit joins core to core. In this case, a number 3 with a number 3, and since this is the only layer in the core, it will always make those joints in the same way.

Re: Wall Joints

ennujozlagam — Mon, 01 Aug 2016 06:10:36 GMT

@Alfredo_Medina thanks for your tips. Just a question this only apply if they have the same materials on bothsides (structure 1). what happen if they are not the same materials on bothsides line will cross in the middle. please see attached. thanks

Re: Wall Joints

Alfredo_Medina — Mon, 01 Aug 2016 11:02:13 GMT

If the materials are different there will be a line indicating the limit of each material, yes.

Re: Wall Joints

chrisplyler — Mon, 01 Aug 2016 13:25:44 GMT

That is the expected - and commonly accepted - representation when materials differ. Plaster on one wall and cementious board on another wall, for example...those materials cannot actually "join" in real life.

Re: Wall Joints

Alfredo_Medina — Mon, 01 Aug 2016 13:30:06 GMT

Correct. And, the question or issue was more about the air cavity not being continuous at the intersection.

Re: Wall Joints

ennujozlagam — Tue, 02 Aug 2016 00:39:39 GMT

@chrisplyler i agree with you we cannot join them in real life thats the reason in real life we provide interfacing details between two different materials. thanks

Re: Wall Joints

ennujozlagam — Tue, 02 Aug 2016 00:49:12 GMT

@Alfredo_Medina the reason why i brought up my question between two different materials because if you open @Anonymous attached file he had used two different wall types with different materials (i'm not too sure if he is aware of that) and maybe thats the reason why he cannot get continuous air cavity. My concerned is, if he get exact solution to his question. thank you.

Re: Wall Joints

Alfredo_Medina — Tue, 02 Aug 2016 11:29:46 GMT

@ennujozlagam wrote:

@Alfredo_Medina the reason why i brought up my question between two different materials because if you open @Anonymous attached file he had used two different wall types with different materials (i'm not too sure if he is aware of that) and maybe thats the reason why he cannot get continuous air cavity. My concerned is, if he get exact solution to his question. thank you.

Yes, you have a point. Then, the author of the question has to comment about it. Thanks.

Re: Wall Joints

Anonymous — Sat, 27 Aug 2016 11:58:36 GMT

GOt it on top of what you mentioned I need to allow join by ticking on that sign there after I was done.

Re: Wall Joints

Anonymous — Sat, 27 Aug 2016 12:00:59 GMT

my issue was that after I did it I was NOT joining the walls afterwards.

Re: Wall Joints

chrisplyler — Tue, 30 Aug 2016 15:29:12 GMT

So pick a couple of the above posts that combine to mostly provided a solution. At least pick somebody's.

Don't make the lame excuse that none of them were a solution because nobody told you you needed to join the walls, or whatever other excuse you come up with.

Your materials/functions was a big part of the issue, and the posters above helped you solve that. That was 99% of the problem. I doubt it occurred to anyone that they ought to tell you the walls needed to be joined, because duh. So work with the system of this forum. Fit in to it. Pick a solution or two. Whichever ones you feel provided the biggest share of help.

Re: Wall Joints

RDAOU — Tue, 30 Aug 2016 16:01:38 GMT

Well 🙂 he doesn't really have to! If heis not satisfied by the answers. Some were off track some were close but for sure not all hit the exact point and not all bothered to open the file he attached (otherwise one would easily figure his reply although is valid but irrelevant to Puya's case)

Besides what system are you talkin about Chris lol this forum has no system at least none which any of those here abide to! Everyone jumps on one post even one more than 2 would be already on it. And those who dont copy without editing find nothing better to do but pick on other peoples replies. Lol funny system.

Besides everyone complains and lectures Puya yet every time he posts a question every one jumps on it!

Puya...mate; if you ain't happy with the answers do not accept any and whoever ain't happy about that may as well refrain from posting to your threads ... You are the man and its your call

(But please don't post 10 replies in a row to this thread lol joking)

Re: Wall Joints

Anonymous — Tue, 30 Aug 2016 16:07:52 GMT

well as to your 'duh' . Initially it was joined I unjoined and then rejoined it. its funny how sometimes the tones in a professional forum is not any different to chatrooms which teenagers chat.we are adults who don't need to hide behind a screen to difuse our frustrations.. If you are forcing me to pick a solution I can pick a few but the final step was to unjoin and rejoin which made the difference.

Re: Wall Joints

Anonymous — Tue, 30 Aug 2016 16:09:47 GMT

regardlessly all were good solutions and very informative posts. Thanks everyone.