topic Re: Delete a segment of a wall sweep in Revit Architecture Forum

Delete a segment of a wall sweep

Anonymous — Mon, 05 Dec 2016 22:17:56 GMT

When I create a wall sweep that stops at a wall opening, there isn't an easy way to delete the segment that is created on the other side of the opening. Can there be a way to add/remove segments of a wall sweep (similar to curtain wall grids) where there are multiple segments on the same wall?

Re: Delete a segment of a wall sweep

Alfredo_Medina — Mon, 05 Dec 2016 23:16:21 GMT

In the properties of the wall sweep, activate "Cut by insert". That will give you blue dots at the end of the sweep, that you can use to set the length of the sweep as needed.

Re: Delete a segment of a wall sweep

ToanDN — Mon, 05 Dec 2016 23:33:13 GMT

If the opening is an Insert (Door/Window family) then simply drag one end grip to where you want, pass the opening (with the Cut by Insert checked as suggested by @Alfredo_Medina). If it is a Wall Opening then I may have a bad news for you.

Re: Delete a segment of a wall sweep

Anonymous — Tue, 06 Dec 2016 00:04:58 GMT

It is for a wall opening. I've found ways to work around it but it could be a lot easier. I guess I should've posted this on the idea forum.

Re: Delete a segment of a wall sweep

ToanDN — Tue, 06 Dec 2016 00:19:42 GMT

Care to share your workaround?

Re: Delete a segment of a wall sweep

Anonymous — Tue, 06 Dec 2016 00:48:30 GMT

1. Create a wall sweep above the wall opening.

2. Drag the blue grip points so that the sweep ends before the wall opening.

3. In the properties palette, bring the offset from level for the wall sweep down.

Re: Delete a segment of a wall sweep

Anonymous — Mon, 06 Feb 2017 05:55:13 GMT

hmm, so this is what I was doing, moving it above the door, but when I pulled it down, it would spread across the whole wall and split between doors.

So then I went to the type properties of the sweep and noticed 'Cut by Inserts' was unticked. So even though it doesn't make sense, I ticked it and now it works.

Soooo... what gives? Is it just me or does 'Cut by Inserts' sound like it means the sweep would be cut by doors, not the reverse. I notice that the individual grips on the sweep around the doors disappear when I change this setting, so obviously that has something to do with it. Thoughts?

Help menu seems pretty straight forward, but then I would interpret this as when it is unticked the sweep should run past the doors?

https://knowledge.autodesk.com/support/revit-products/learn-explore/caas/CloudHelp/cloudhelp/2015/ENU/Revit-Model/files/GUID-61B98A58-B03B-48D7-B2D9-99A564FC55D0-htm.html

Instead, it seems the sweep is always cut, this setting just tweaks weather you have control at all the ends or not... needs work me thinks!

Re: Delete a segment of a wall sweep

RDAOU — Mon, 06 Feb 2017 08:15:27 GMT

Hi @Anonymous

i think you are having some odd behavior on your side

@Anonymous wrote:

hmm, so this is what I was doing, moving it above the door, but when I pulled it down, it would spread across the whole wall and split between doors.

It doesn't seem to stretch back along the whole wall when pulled down on my side!

So then I went to the type properties of the sweep and noticed 'Cut by Inserts' was unticked. So even though it doesn't make sense, I ticked it and now it works. I prefer this method ove the first. Gives a clean cut at frames

Soooo... what gives? Is it just me or does 'Cut by Inserts' sound like it means the sweep would be cut by doors, not the reverse. I notice that the individual grips on the sweep around the doors disappear when I change this setting, so obviously that has something to do with it. Thoughts?

It sounds as it functions when ticked the sweep gets cut by inserts (considering it is a passive statement)

t did not lose the grips when I ticked that option

Another way to this...is to select the sweep and convert it to parts...then play with the grips. But not everyone is that fond of parts 🙂

Re: Delete a segment of a wall sweep

Anonymous — Mon, 06 Feb 2017 09:54:04 GMT

@RDAOU,

Thanks for the response and video. I made a video myself to pick up on a few things not in your clip so we can see what I am seeing and hopefully explain it a bit better. I also should say, I am not suggesting this is not acting as designed, just not how I think it should.

So the video highlights:

The key difference is that when 2 doors are in the wall, the sweep snaps to the second door. Even when it has been pulled back. Why? In my opinion, it shouldn't, regardless of the 'cut by inserts' option.
When cut by inserts is unticked, I am of the opinion the sweep should run continuous over the doors, it doesn't at the moment, wondering what the thinking behind this is?
As you can see in my video, regardless of the cut by inserts option ticked or not, the sweep still gets cut by the doors, the only difference that I can see though, is that when cut by inserts IS ticked, the blue dots at the door junctions no longer show.
It also occurred to me that what if you did want it continuous? Seems like their is no option to do it? You could manually pull the blue dots across the door, but that seems like something is missing to me. It also leaves a join line.

I rarely use sweeps for this purpose. I just came across it today by accident while fixing some warnings about duplicates and stumbled upon the unexpected behaviour. So I am more intrigued than anything else haha. If it is by design, I think it is confusing, but maybe I am alone on this one.

Re: Delete a segment of a wall sweep

RDAOU — Mon, 06 Feb 2017 10:29:03 GMT

Know I see what you mean...

It (the sweep) will always be cut by the insert. It's more like meant to say the cut is controlled or constrained by the insert vs Cut controlled by user. (It only makes sense if u consider the verb cut In a passive way). The sweep gets cut by the insert and that cut is controlled by the insert while the sweep has no control over how much it will be cut (passive) vs sweep gets cut by the wall but the sweep decides whether it wants to kiss the doors butt or take a step back (active) hence the additional grips at the cut

what the guy did up in the image he placed one segment before the door, then he would reset sweep tool and place a second after the door and so on..Instead of one along the whole wall that is.

At at least that's how I see it

Re: Delete a segment of a wall sweep

Anonymous — Mon, 06 Feb 2017 23:54:45 GMT

ah huh. Ok fair enough. So then the question is, should the sweep have an option/functionality to ignore inserts completely. Maybe falls into the 'nice to have category'. I think there are more pressing ideas out there!

Re: Delete a segment of a wall sweep

ToanDN — Tue, 07 Feb 2017 00:12:11 GMT

If you want a Sweep runs across an Opening (I don't know why, when, and where one would want that), make Parts from the Sweep, exclude all segments except one, and stretch it across the opening via Shape Handles.