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Adding a new parameter group in a Revit project

willem.de.bruijn — Wed, 07 Dec 2016 14:19:03 GMT

Hi,

My question is simple, but yet I can't find any answer in this, or any other forum:

How can I add a NEW parameter group in an existing Revit project?

What I tried:

Shared Parameters > New Group
New Shared Parameter > Assign to the newly created group in step 1
Project Parameters > Add > Shared Parameter > choose the new parameter in step 1
> Group parameter under > ??? the new group created in step 2 is NOT visible in the list

Hope I provided enough information regarding my question. Anybody has an answer?

Re: Adding a new parameter group in a Revit project

L.Maas — Wed, 07 Dec 2016 15:06:51 GMT

Parameter Groups are hardcoded in Revit and can not be added, changed or deleted.

Re: Adding a new parameter group in a Revit project

willem.de.bruijn — Tue, 13 Dec 2016 13:13:18 GMT

That explains.. thanks!

Re: Adding a new parameter group in a Revit project

leonHKFTG — Mon, 12 Oct 2020 15:32:29 GMT

https://knowledge.autodesk.com/support/revit-products/learn-explore/caas/CloudHelp/cloudhelp/2018/ENU/Revit-Model/files/GUID-A0E38397-BF31-48F0-B941-F058E36C23E9-htm.html

Re: Adding a new parameter group in a Revit project

martijn_pater — Mon, 12 Oct 2020 20:02:52 GMT

@leonHKFTG wrote:
https://knowledge.autodesk.com/support/revit-products/learn-explore/caas/CloudHelp/cloudhelp/2018/ENU/Revit-Model/files/GUID-A0E38397-BF31-48F0-B941-F058E36C23E9-htm.html

@leonHKFTG Appreciate the effort, but the link provided is irrelevant in this question. It is not discussing the same "parameter group" OP is asking about. In short, the given solution is correct but it could be useful to point out the difference...

Re: Adding a new parameter group in a Revit project

willem.de.bruijn — Tue, 13 Oct 2020 07:45:53 GMT

I agree with @martijn_pater , the link provided is irrelevent to my question.

Although I accepted the answer that it is not possible to add parameter groups in Revit (or for that matter, change the order of them) Please support the request / idea posted here:

https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/revit-ideas/give-users-control-over-parameter-group-order/idi-p/9523854

Re: Adding a new parameter group in a Revit project

nicholas.mostovac — Mon, 28 Jun 2021 19:49:15 GMT

it is possible to add a new Group Parameter,

you just need to be able to edit the Shared Parameter File. if you're working for a company, duplicate their shared parameter file into a project folder specific to that project.

Otherwise you can just make edits to that shared parameter file, see attached images.

in this menu you can add new groups and new parameters to your family, then extract those within schedules in your project:

Re: Adding a new parameter group in a Revit project

AGGilliam — Tue, 21 Dec 2021 18:09:28 GMT

The OP has already completed this step, they are looking to use that group within the project. (i.e. When creating a project/type/instance parameter how you can group it under Text, Dimensions, Constraints, etc.)

I was also hoping this functionality existed, it would be really helpful in organizing our parameters.

Re: Adding a new parameter group in a Revit project

harry.jaff.swift — Tue, 15 Feb 2022 08:49:44 GMT

This has been an issue since day one when Revit was introduced!

After all these years, Autodesk is refusing to fix this or offer an alternative solution!

Adding additional Group Parameters to organize is something only users can understand. I have asked for this in every BIM meeting I had with Autodesk, for years and years.

while this is easily possible with Archicad!

This is in particular helpful when exporting models to other platforms or even IFC, I wanted to use my companies name as a group to separate out all our objects parameters when our models are merged with other disciplines within the enterer project. This way all the important data that we want our client to see and use is under our company name as a "Group parameter"

Its like talking to brick wall with Autodesk, very disappointed.

Re: Adding a new parameter group in a Revit project

willem.de.bruijn — Tue, 15 Feb 2022 10:31:56 GMT

I personally see no reason why we would want to add custom parameter groups in Revit. I guess when posting this, I was just curious if it was possible or not. Thats why I accepted the answer from @L.Maas as a solution.

From Autodesk' point of view I personally get why this is hard-coded and not customisable because you would get lots and lots of custom naming which going to be more complex, where probably every firm has it's own standard, rather than using the standard groups which Revit provides. Because I guess these parameter groups is Autodesk way of information standardisation within their products.

Also: Using both IFC standard Pset_[###]Common and our own Custom Property Sets is enough for us to share our model information in a ordered way trough IFC files.

Re: Adding a new parameter group in a Revit project

allan.labadorWF3KM — Thu, 15 Sep 2022 01:46:40 GMT

I agree with you that there is no reason to customize the parameters group in Revit. But maybe what they are asking is to add another group naming. let's say when we are creating a family and there are a lot of plates that need to do, there is a top plate, bottom plate, and side plate together with the bolts in one family, remember that all of this is needed to control, to easily control this without confusion we can group it by adding let say Top Plate, then all the parameters for the top plate will go to under the naming of the top plate. Unfortunately, we don't have that option.

Re: Adding a new parameter group in a Revit project

allan.labadorWF3KM — Thu, 15 Sep 2022 02:21:51 GMT

Re: Adding a new parameter group in a Revit project

Martijn.Pater — Fri, 16 Sep 2022 09:20:16 GMT

The request is understandable but at the moment not possible with Revit. A common method to get around this is to create text parameters with formula in between the input fields to create a sort of sub-categorization for the family.

Text parameters with formula (string)

Re: Adding a new parameter group in a Revit project

mhiserZFHXS — Fri, 16 Sep 2022 13:52:29 GMT

Why would you ask how to do something and then say you see no reason anyone would want this feature?

Anyone who doesn't think this feature would be a game changer clearly hasn't made a whole lot of families... It would make parameter management so much more clear.

Re: Adding a new parameter group in a Revit project

kerwin0923 — Wed, 02 Nov 2022 10:47:41 GMT

Agree. When converting this to Solibri for instance, this problem will occur if they need a different naming convention for the specific group parameters.

we cannot provide other naming aside from "Data" or "Dimension" or Division Geometry" etc.

Re: Adding a new parameter group in a Revit project

boris_zivkovic — Thu, 22 Dec 2022 16:30:56 GMT

This is possible in Revit! Just check "Export schedules as property sets" and name the schedule how you want the category to be named. There is one other way with external txt files, but haven't used that one before.

Here is the tutorial and many thanks to the nice lady for explaning this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SswHKtcM3mI&ab_channel=BIMmeup%21

Re: Adding a new parameter group in a Revit project

tnievesP53K8 — Thu, 13 Apr 2023 19:39:46 GMT

Problem is there are a LOT of categories that would be helpful. to be honest, in every firm I've worked on most parameters get sorted under other, general, identity data. Some things like graphics, visibility, constraints, and dims are generally clear. some new categories have been added like life safety (thankfully) but these happen slowly over years.

I'm a BIM manager so grouping parameters in some category that makes sense is important and it drives me nuts I can't organize things better! I've found people get overwhelmed when 10+parameters live under one category. In addition the following information doesn't have good categories.

All of these generally can fall under other, data, or general but those parameters get cluttered after a while.

- Organization parameters (parameters used for organizing views, schedules and sheets)

- in house/company parameters (office identifiers, version information, any other parameters used in house or for identifying in the model NOT the element itself).

- ADA parameters (these are much better grouped under ADA than separating across data, text and visibility)

- formulas and crap we don't want to have visible almost wish there was a group called formulas, and have that invisible to users. I like how unreal engine uses graphic programing underneath to create these elements so that users have more control over them and the interface only has what it needs.

When using nested/smart families, there tend to be more parameters while this sometimes is overkill, things like doors, windows, and some other elements are good examples of families with nested families for panels, frame profiles, and lites. These families would benefit the most from custom organization because you could group things like lite dimensions, panel dimensions, overall dimensions. Then you could have an ADA section, and a hardware section.

Hardcoding doesn't mean everyone sees things the same. it would likely be much easier to navigate if we could customize it, at least at a high level (bim managers) maybe it's something that can be in a ACC library like parameters are moving to, and each project must have the same groups, but they are customizable.

Combine this issue with hardcoded parameters and you get confusion no matter how clean a template is. Haven't been to one office that doesn't ignore at least some of the system parameters for various reasons (either because they don't agree with type/instance or the group they fall into, or the name). Then you end up with multiple similar parameters.

Clearly this is low on the list of needs, but many other design programs have this functionality so not sure why we can't.

Re: Adding a new parameter group in a Revit project

rafael_silva_villanueva — Wed, 10 May 2023 21:23:21 GMT

Is not acceptable from 2016 to 2023 Revit not consider these users requirements.

Re: Adding a new parameter group in a Revit project

Base12 — Thu, 09 May 2024 22:03:20 GMT

I'm looking to add something like "Consultants" or "Contractor-1, 2, 3.. etc" or a way to build the team roster in the Project Information UI without putting them in "General", "Text" or "Other". Seems pretty absurd that that those categories can be made in the Shared Parameters file, but not in the project file itself where you need it.

Re: Adding a new parameter group in a Revit project

Chinedu_Victor_GodfreyN8AFE — Wed, 15 Jan 2025 13:17:30 GMT

Has anyone found a workaround or a lasting solution to this problem ?

I am facing a similar issue on a project I am working on and would greatly appreciate help/support on how to sustainably group a set of parameters under a parameter set in Revit.