topic Re: how to change the Associated Level revived in Revit Architecture Forum

how to change the Associated Level revived

10x3x30r — Fri, 16 Feb 2024 22:33:50 GMT

Please let's reopen this issue and constructively discuss how we can solve the issue of reassociating an already existing plan to another level. This causes a lot of wasted effort in our teams. For example tags can't be copied to a plan that doesn't use a correct level.

Recreating the entire plan from scratch is not a solution.

Re: how to change the Associated Level revived

barthbradley — Fri, 16 Feb 2024 23:51:55 GMT

What do you mean "tags can't be copied to a plan that doesn't use a correct level"? Tags are View-Specific.

...regarding changing/reassociating the Associated Level of Plan/Ceiling View; you cannot. Create Floor Plans and Reflected Ceiling Plans for "Associated" Levels via View Tab=>Plan Views - not by Duplicating Views.

Re: how to change the Associated Level revived

SteveKStafford — Fri, 16 Feb 2024 23:56:12 GMT

One minute of training is all that it takes to have this never happen again.

Re: how to change the Associated Level revived

ToanDN — Sat, 17 Feb 2024 00:12:34 GMT

@10x3x30r wrote:

Please let's reopen this issue and constructively discuss how we can solve the issue of reassociating an already existing plan to another level. This causes a lot of wasted effort in our teams. For example tags can't be copied to a plan that doesn't use a correct level.

Recreating the entire plan from scratch is not a solution.

You cannot change Associated Level of a plan. Period.

If you already annotate a wrong plan:

- recreate it with the correct Associated Level

- go back to the 'wrong' plan, select everything (model, details, annotations) and create a group

- go to the new 'right' plan, select the group (yes it is the same group in the previous step) and click Attached Detail Group from the ribbon and you will have all details and annotations in place. You can ungroup the group if you want.

Re: how to change the Associated Level revived

10x3x30r — Sat, 17 Feb 2024 16:58:29 GMT

Thanks for looking into this. I'm tagging cavity barriers, which we've modeled as 3d generic models (to display them in other views). There are dozens of them and due to differences in layout their tags need to be moved to specific locations not to clash with other objects (for clarity purposes).

We also have a lot of levels across different parts of the building.

This means that when plans are associated to correct levels you can copy paste tags across the plans and they correctly find their new corresponding hosts. If a plan however was mistakenly associated with a wrong level this copy pasting operation won't work anymore and repositioning of these dozens of tags will need to be redone for each floor (causing a lot of repetitive work and potential for human errors that I am trying to avoid).

Hope that clarifies the issue. Let me know if I didn't explain it properly though.

Re: how to change the Associated Level revived

10x3x30r — Sat, 17 Feb 2024 17:03:13 GMT

Everyone please let's refrain from saying that "it can't be done" and try to find a solution. Let's be constructive. Please understand that recreating views from scratch requires large projects hours of extra work - these are paying customers that require your help.

Re: how to change the Associated Level revived

barthbradley — Sat, 17 Feb 2024 17:53:00 GMT

I'm still not following.

Tags are VIEW-SPECIFIC Elements. The "Associated Level" of the View has no bearing, so whatever problem you are experiencing, the explanation for it lies elsewhere. Now if you are saying that it is a lot of work to paste and reposition the Tags in the target View so that they are legible and not covering up other information in that View, then I can agree with you. c’est la vie.

Re: how to change the Associated Level revived

barthbradley — Sat, 17 Feb 2024 17:55:36 GMT

@10x3x30r wrote:
Everyone please let's refrain from saying that "it can't be done" and try to find a solution.

Excuse me?

Re: how to change the Associated Level revived

10x3x30r — Sat, 17 Feb 2024 17:58:26 GMT

I've noticed that whenever levels are associated correctly on plans
tagged elements can be copied across the floors. Otherwise an error
appears "not able to find a new host", so I assume that being able to
change associated level of a plan would solve it.

Re: how to change the Associated Level revived

barthbradley — Sat, 17 Feb 2024 18:42:16 GMT

Is this what you are referring to?

Tag Host.png

"Host" means the element that the Tag is "tagging". Is there a host element visible and in the same location in the target view as in the view you copied the Tag from?

FWIW: there's a shoot-load of information about Tags here:

https://help.autodesk.com/view/RVT/2023/ENU/?guid=GUID-0BF5C1C2-445E-43E6-9680-40C2818A8BAF

Re: how to change the Associated Level revived

10x3x30r — Sat, 17 Feb 2024 19:01:06 GMT

Thanks, yes, that is the warning message that I referred to. The host objects are directly above each other, referencing corresponding levels and the "origin level offset" is 0 for all of them (and all are visible).

Copy-paste operation succeeds between all first 5 floors that reference correct levels*. It fails on the 6th plan, the only plan that isn't associated with a correct level.

I concluded that changing associated level on a plan would solve this issue.

* by correct I mean levels that correspond to this block - there are multiple blocks in the project each with its own levels (due to a mountainous terrain)

Re: how to change the Associated Level revived

Alfredo_Medina — Sat, 17 Feb 2024 19:58:15 GMT

And why did you get into this issue? How come your plan views are not associated to the correspondent level?

Re: how to change the Associated Level revived

ridantuo — Mon, 19 Feb 2024 07:52:16 GMT

- Associated level cannot be changed

- If a view has an incorrect associated level it is recommended to be redone (the sooner the better)

- Most things can be copied - in this case - to the new view (plan region, tags, etc.)

- Those that need to be redone manually have to be done manually. Tag All Not Tagged helps with that.

- To help with the manual work you can export a DWG of of the old incorrect view - for example if the placing needs to be accurate like you said.

- Manual work is sometimes mandatory and it usually doesn't take as much time/square when you get to work on it.

Re: how to change the Associated Level revived

10x3x30r — Sat, 24 Feb 2024 12:38:25 GMT

I've added it to the list "Why not to use autodesk on the next project".

Re: how to change the Associated Level revived

Alfredo_Medina — Sat, 24 Feb 2024 13:38:25 GMT

@10x3x30r wrote:

I've added it to the list "Why not to use autodesk on the next project".

This is like saying that you had an issue driving a Lexus because you didn't know how to use a function, and then saying "I've added this to the list of reasons why not to use Lexus". I would change that to "I've added this to the list of reasons why reading the user's manual is important".

Re: how to change the Associated Level revived

aliaLBNVZ — Fri, 23 Aug 2024 13:58:42 GMT

Hello!

I hate the responses from some people here, so let me clarify something that can be helpful.

I'll give an example for the ones saying you shouldn't have to change the associated level; i thought it was obvious but anyway.

For example, if you are using the first floor to do a zoning lot calculation diagram, sometimes the client asks for the roof to be the level used for that diagram, hence having to change the associated level.

Here's a solution, if you go under the View tab, under "Plan Views", select plan region, highlight the bounds of the building, then change the view range to the level you want. That's what I have found.

Re: how to change the Associated Level revived

RSomppi — Fri, 23 Aug 2024 14:03:42 GMT

@10x3x30r wrote:
these are paying customers that require your help.

So are the people trying to help you.

Re: how to change the Associated Level revived

barthbradley — Fri, 23 Aug 2024 14:16:09 GMT

@aliaLBNVZ wrote:
Hello!

I hate the responses from some people here, so let me clarify something that can be helpful.

Are you aware of how extremely rude and arrogant that opening remark sounds?

Re: how to change the Associated Level revived

aliaLBNVZ — Fri, 23 Aug 2024 15:17:07 GMT

Oh, it's not meant to be rude, just stating a fact. I'm not quite sure what you're gaining trying to argue on an Autodesk Forum. Personally, not what I prefer.

Re: how to change the Associated Level revived

barthbradley — Fri, 23 Aug 2024 17:27:55 GMT

@aliaLBNVZ wrote:
Oh, it's not meant to be rude, just stating a fact. I'm not quite sure what you're gaining trying to argue on an Autodesk Forum. Personally, not what I prefer.

Just telling you like it is - for your benefit. "I hate the responses from some people here" is not good decorum. I'm sure you're a wonderful person and you didn't mean to offend, but it was offensive. I'm "some people here".

Have a better day.