topic Re: Window embedded in room schedule, assigning to exterior room in Revit Architecture Forum

Window embedded in room schedule, assigning to exterior room

LOESCH_PK — Thu, 12 Oct 2017 10:47:02 GMT

I know this is a common problem, but maybe there is a simple and intelligent workaround already.

In an embedded schedule the windows are assigned to the room that their exterior side is facing. Before captain obvious writes me that you only have to enable room calculating point - I've tried, and no amount of flipping or draging the whole arrow into the interior helped. Unless someone provieds me with a family that has this set properly I will not belive that this works.

I am aware that I could nest a window family in a window family and flip it, but let's have some self respect. I shall not put extra work because of an incompetent program bug.

Any suggestions? I am using Revit 2017.

PS. Bugs like this should be punished with flogging. 🙂

Re: Window embedded in room schedule, assigning to exterior room

ToanDN — Thu, 12 Oct 2017 11:33:41 GMT

It sounds like anyone giving you a wrong answer would be welcomed with a slap on the face. Yes? I will give it a try when I get to the office.

Re: Window embedded in room schedule, assigning to exterior room

LOESCH_PK — Thu, 12 Oct 2017 12:33:14 GMT

Well I always do quite some searching and trail-and-error troubleshooting to resolve my problems before I ask some question, so I hate "Have you tried turning it off and on again" solutions. Sorry for my tone but I'm pretty fluent with Revit and utilize it pretty fully, so when I run into problems like not being able to do basical architectural stuff like scheduling wall types with all their layers, or Left/Right doors (which both by the way I had to do in Dynamo by myself) in a ridiculously expensive program I get a tad frustrated.

I promise not to be tu brutal for any suggestions, though I wouldn't have no mercy if I met someone responsible for implementing this in Revit.

The development of Revit sometimes looks like an early access game: New features constantly and ignoraing things people just want fixed.

Re: Window embedded in room schedule, assigning to exterior room

Sahay_R — Thu, 12 Oct 2017 14:57:55 GMT

At the risk of being slapped -

Here is what I started with -

The original Schedule

The schedule after Room Calculation point was flipped

File attached with flipped room calculation points in window families

Re: Window embedded in room schedule, assigning to exterior room

barthbradley — Thu, 12 Oct 2017 17:11:26 GMT

@LOESCH_PK wrote:

Unless someone provieds me with a family that has this set properly I will not belive that this works.

Out of curiosity, did @Sahay_R make you a believer?

Re: Window embedded in room schedule, assigning to exterior room

ToanDN — Thu, 12 Oct 2017 17:57:22 GMT

Edit: not resolved

Nearly identical topic.

Re: Window embedded in room schedule, assigning to exterior room

Alfredo_Medina — Thu, 12 Oct 2017 17:44:52 GMT

Just a comment: the example provided by @Sahay_R is a Windows Schedule. The user is asking about a Room Schedule with an embedded Window Schedule.

Re: Window embedded in room schedule, assigning to exterior room

barthbradley — Thu, 12 Oct 2017 17:53:49 GMT

oops.

Re: Window embedded in room schedule, assigning to exterior room

ToanDN — Thu, 12 Oct 2017 18:12:09 GMT

@LOESCH_PK

Unfortunately, the only solution I have found (without having to alter the actual geometry of the family) is nesting the original window family to another window family and flip side. I think it is the least labor intensive workaround.

But I do have a small amount of self respect left so I am not going to suggest what you already know to you.

Re: Window embedded in room schedule, assigning to exterior room

Sahay_R — Thu, 12 Oct 2017 18:37:42 GMT

@Alfredo_Medina. Such cynicism.

Tsk tsk.

Schedule before flipping RCP

Schedule after flipping RCP

Re: Window embedded in room schedule, assigning to exterior room

ToanDN — Thu, 12 Oct 2017 18:41:47 GMT

@Sahay_R

Where are the windows #3 and #6 in your Room schedule?

Re: Window embedded in room schedule, assigning to exterior room

barthbradley — Thu, 12 Oct 2017 18:50:26 GMT

C'mon @ToanDN, those are "Outside" windows; clearly @Sahay_R is scheduling "Inside" windows.

Re: Window embedded in room schedule, assigning to exterior room

Sahay_R — Thu, 12 Oct 2017 19:46:08 GMT

When I flip W3 and W6, then the RCP arrow points into the room and the Room Schedule is appropriately populated

Re: Window embedded in room schedule, assigning to exterior room

ToanDN — Thu, 12 Oct 2017 19:51:48 GMT

Edit: I typed while you posed another one so I am highlighting the important part below.

@Sahay_R

You can create a Window schedule and change the From Room / To Room for these two windows. I guarantee they still don't show up in the Room schedule. The only way to put them in the Rooms is use the flip arrow but that makes the windows facing the wrong side, so water from the rain may get in the room, you know.

Re: Window embedded in room schedule, assigning to exterior room

Sahay_R — Thu, 12 Oct 2017 19:51:14 GMT

True. Just wanted to show you where the missing windows were hiding

Re: Window embedded in room schedule, assigning to exterior room

LOESCH_PK — Fri, 13 Oct 2017 09:14:37 GMT

OK, no slapping today, cause I am glad to say, that the problem has been resolved! Though I had to approach it in a slightly different way.

rsahayUZMK9 didn't give a direct answer, but guided me towards it. Making a room schedule with embeded windows didn't work, since I couldn't use the "To room" field in the room schedule, only in the embeded one, which made a mess.

Instead I made a windows schedule which was sorted by apartment number (custom parameter) room name and area, which pretty much gave me the effect that I wanted initially. Now I can chceck if the window glass to room area ratio is proper. Also the room calculation point works as expected with the to/from room fields.

The problem was finding these fields, since they are hidden in a drop-down menu in the "Fields" part of the schedule creation window.

So as I mentioned, in this case don't use room with embedded schedule, but a schedule of what you wanted to use as embedded, and sort by added to/from room field!

Re: Window embedded in room schedule, assigning to exterior room

Sahay_R — Fri, 13 Oct 2017 12:55:50 GMT

(TAKES A BOW)

Re: Window embedded in room schedule, assigning to exterior room

Alfredo_Medina — Fri, 13 Oct 2017 13:02:35 GMT

Ok, the story that started as "a bug" had a happy ending.

I still don't understand the comment in post # 10 above, though. ( ? )

Re: Window embedded in room schedule, assigning to exterior room

ToanDN — Fri, 13 Oct 2017 14:21:34 GMT

@LOESCH_PK

Good.
I bet you didn't watch the screencast in the link in post #5.

Re: Window embedded in room schedule, assigning to exterior room

barthbradley — Fri, 13 Oct 2017 15:05:03 GMT

@LOESCH_PK: So, @Sahay_R's original suggestion didn't work for you; Why? I don't get what you did differently, other than adding more fields from those already available?

@ToanDN: I watched it.