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Structural framing area measurement minus slab thickness

Anonymous — Fri, 10 Nov 2017 10:47:14 GMT

Hello,

I am searching for a technique to measure the surface area of structural framing required to cast it. Image-1Image-2

The beam L2-B16 highlighted in Image-1 & 2 has a surface area of 14.92 SQM. This includes all 6 areas of the geometry as shown in Image-2. I need to find the area of moulding/casting/shuttering required to cast that beam, not including the thickness of the adjacent floor/slab. Thus total Surface Area to be found would be Area2 + Area3 + (Area4 - Area of slab thickness). This is to derive the area of moulding/casting/shuttering required to execute that work. Could any one help? Even if there's an altogether different technique for this task that would be very helpful.

Many Thanks 🙂

Re: Structural framing area measurement minus slab thickness

barthbradley — Fri, 10 Nov 2017 23:44:11 GMT

seems to me that you got the formula; can't you just build it into custom calculated parameters (you'll need a few)? You may need to add fields to pull the cross-sectional height and width (or create them as shared parameters in the family), but seems doable to me. Slab thickness would need to be manually inputted though.

Re: Structural framing area measurement minus slab thickness

ToanDN — Sat, 11 Nov 2017 15:17:21 GMT

@Anonymous

Paint the exposed surfaces, or the surfaces supposed to be for casting the beams, with a different material. Then create a material take-off for beams and pull As Paint parameter.

Re: Structural framing area measurement minus slab thickness

Anonymous — Mon, 13 Nov 2017 04:46:47 GMT

@ToanDN, No the technique is not working. Image-3

Image-4

Am not able to pull off the paint area. Instead it just adds another entry of the same Beam in the schedule with zero volume.

Re: Structural framing area measurement minus slab thickness

ToanDN — Mon, 13 Nov 2017 05:52:57 GMT

Volume? I thought you needed Area. Paint does not have volume.

Re: Structural framing area measurement minus slab thickness

ToanDN — Mon, 13 Nov 2017 06:24:42 GMT

See attached Revit 2017 file.

Re: Structural framing area measurement minus slab thickness

Anonymous — Mon, 13 Nov 2017 12:41:57 GMT

Oh! @ToanDN now I understand what you meant. I was earlier looking for the Area quantity in "Material:As Paint" Column, and was wondering why it just said "No" instead of mentioning some Sqm or SF. This is the learning part for me that the paint area as well would be mentioned in "Material: Area" Column. This solves the problem.

Many Thanks.

Re: Structural framing area measurement minus slab thickness

Anonymous — Mon, 13 Nov 2017 12:42:33 GMT

No I didn't need volume. I was looking for the area only.

Re: Structural framing area measurement minus slab thickness

ToanDN — Mon, 13 Nov 2017 16:59:33 GMT

You confusion is actually valid. For some reason paint material on structural framing does not registered in a schedule As-Paint. See below, the paints for the floor and the wall are marked Yes but the beams' are No. Strange.

However, it shouldn't hinder the result by using an unique material name to filter the Area.

Re: Structural framing area measurement minus slab thickness

Anonymous — Sun, 26 Nov 2017 13:02:20 GMT

@ToanDN, maybe I am being naive. The paint keeps covering all areas, including those joined by other structural elements. That's a problem, like seen in the image. The highlighted part is slant Beam attached to a horizontal beam. The same behaviour is observed with column-beam joints as well. Entire column surface gets painted even where the beams are present.

Re: Structural framing area measurement minus slab thickness

ToanDN — Sun, 26 Nov 2017 18:07:20 GMT

In such case, use Split tool (right next to Paint tool) to divide the surface, then Paint.

Re: Structural framing area measurement minus slab thickness

Anonymous — Mon, 27 Nov 2017 03:11:45 GMT

"Split Face" doesn't work on structural framing components.

Re: Structural framing area measurement minus slab thickness

Anonymous — Mon, 04 Dec 2017 15:21:37 GMT

I am for the same in this manner,Placing a layer in beam family and making parts from it then adjusting the layer as per slab thickness some times we have different slab thickness on two sides of beam.Its a little time taking process but works for me.Hope this helps . The paint think is good and works but you will get confused easily when you are working in a bigger layout with many beams.More over in my project we will no join the slab & beam as they need individual panel area.

Re: Structural framing area measurement minus slab thickness

ToanDN — Mon, 04 Dec 2017 18:49:12 GMT

@Anonymous wrote:

"Split Face" doesn't work on structural framing components.

Use a combination of Paint and Adaptive elements to get the Area.

Your Screencast

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will be added here

Re: Structural framing area measurement minus slab thickness

Anonymous — Wed, 20 Dec 2017 23:12:36 GMT

Is there any way that adaptive component can work like the paint thing.I.E just by clicking the surface the area can be captured and adaptive component can be created. Just my thought

Re: Structural framing area measurement minus slab thickness

barthbradley — Wed, 20 Dec 2017 23:41:23 GMT

No.

~~Why don't you export to DWG and reinsert into a mass and apply a thin veneer to mass faces?~~ nevermind.

Re: Structural framing area measurement minus slab thickness

Anonymous — Wed, 20 Dec 2017 23:50:10 GMT

Actually I need some paint like family (but not paint) to use for form work calculation .I tried using paint but for a larger Beam framing(250 +beams with different sizes ) & more over we split the Structural slab to make it separate from beam framing.So paint is not working for beams .I want a easy work

Please suggest

arround.applying paint

Re: Structural framing area measurement minus slab thickness

Anonymous — Tue, 02 Jan 2018 08:49:16 GMT

Finally found a solution that works independently and imitates real world shuttering/casts. Attached are the file-families created in Revit 2017. Shuttering Areas are schedule-able.

Do give a kudos if it works for you.