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Stair design to French Building Code

paul_bird — Sat, 14 Apr 2018 08:32:27 GMT

Hi Guys,

I'm a Newbe to Revit.

I'm based in the UK but need to create stairs to French Building Code, can anyone suggest a simple solution.

Re: Stair design to French Building Code

barthbradley — Sat, 14 Apr 2018 15:43:53 GMT

Interesting question. I've been to France. Notwithstanding of the different codes and regulations governing their construction, French stairs look just the ones in the US. Slight humor aside, what specific modeling features are you looking for?

Re: Stair design to French Building Code

jacquesrigal3467 — Mon, 16 Apr 2018 12:46:46 GMT

Good morning,
Stairs are governed by different codes effectively. But above all your question is too vague. Indeed stairs have regulations according to their destination.
If you use stairs in environments open to the public I invite you to use this page of the French government site.
http://www.accessibilite-batiment.fr/erp-neufs/circulation-interieures-verticales/escalier/arrete.html
For stairs in housing are less restrictive, but it respects a law known as "Blondel" which consists in calculating the rise of a staircase as follows a bosom multiplied by two heights should be equal to sixty four. this makes it possible to obtain comfortable stairs.
Another site on the subject of stairs: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escalier
Then according to the establishments it is necessary to calculate the units of passage according to the affluence of the place and its destination.
One last thing, the steps must be defined according to the number of steps per flight, a flight can not exceed a number of steps greater than twenty.
Attention to finish to check well the destination of your building, according to its use the rules will change and will be more or less constraining for the vertical circulations and the elements of protections, like the ramps of access for the persons with reduced mobility and the railings.
Reference for environments governed by the labour code :
https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/affichCode.do?cidTexte=LEGITEXT000006072050
Reference for environments governed by the building code :
https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/affichCode.do?cidTexte=LEGITEXT000006074096
Reference for establishments receiving the public :
https://www.service-public.fr/professionnels-entreprises/vosdroits/F32351

Obviously not everything is in these texts, but it is a beginning.

Have a nice day.

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Bonjour,
Les escaliers sont régis par différents code effectivement. Mais surtout votre question est trop vague. En effet les escalier ont des réglementations selon leur destination.
Si vous utilisez des escalier dans des environnements recevant du public je vous invite à utiliser cette page du site du gouvernement français.
http://www.accessibilite-batiment.fr/erp-neufs/circulation-interieures-verticales/escalier/arrete.html
Pour les escalier en habitation sont moins contraignant, mais il respecte une loi dite de "Blondel" qui consiste a calculer la montée d'un escalier comme suit un giron multiplier par deux hauteurs devrait être égal à soixante quatre. ceci permet d'obtenir des escalier confortable.
Un autre site sur le sujet des escalier : https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escalier
Ensuite selon les établissements il faut calculer les unités de passage en fonction de l'affluence du lieu et de sa destination.
Une dernière chose, les paliers doivent être définit selon le nombre de marche par volée, une volée ne peut pas dépasser un nombre de marche supérieur à vingt.
Attention pour finir à bien vérifier la destination de votre bâtiment, selon son usage les règles changeront et seront plus ou moins contraignantes pour les circulations verticales et les éléments de protections, comme les rampes d'accès pour les personnes à mobilité réduite et les gardes-corps.
Référence pour les environnements régis par le code du travail :
https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/affichCode.do?cidTexte=LEGITEXT000006072050
Référence pour les environnements régis par le code de la construction :
https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/affichCode.do?cidTexte=LEGITEXT000006074096
Référence pour les établissement recevant du public :
https://www.service-public.fr/professionnels-entreprises/vosdroits/F32351

Evidemment tout n'est pas dans ces textes, mais c'est un début.

bonne journée.

Re: Stair design to French Building Code

barthbradley — Mon, 16 Apr 2018 16:06:35 GMT

I think you misunderstood my question, Sir. What I asked you was: "what specific modeling features are you looking for." By "modeling", I mean 3D modeling tools that we designers use to build stairs in Revit. I wasn't talking about the specific Government, State and Local Building Codes that our stair designs must adhere to. I ask because I'm fairly certain that I could model a "French" stair with my U.S. version of Revit.

Re: Stair design to French Building Code

ToanDN — Mon, 16 Apr 2018 16:20:34 GMT

Jacques wasn't OP and I think he was replying to the OP's question.

Re: Stair design to French Building Code

barthbradley — Mon, 16 Apr 2018 16:41:07 GMT

Touché, @ToanDN.

Re: Stair design to French Building Code

paul_bird — Mon, 16 Apr 2018 17:04:28 GMT

Thanks, barthbradley you pretty much nailed what I'm looking for.

All,

I have reworded my question:

Can I model a "French" stair with my UK version of Revit by just changing the standard (the same as changing a steel section from British Standard Universal Column to a European IPE)?

I think I'm just missing the how-to process of flipping to the French Standard.

Re: Stair design to French Building Code

ToanDN — Mon, 16 Apr 2018 18:29:56 GMT

Can you just edit the Stair type and modify the properties to match the French standards. I can't imagine they are drastically different from the UK's, if any, it's the sign telling "Lent Mesdames et Messieurs s'il vous plaît déplacer vers la droite" instead of "... to the left".

Re: Stair design to French Building Code

jacquesrigal3467 — Tue, 17 Apr 2018 07:37:06 GMT

Good morning @barthbradley,

I was answering the first question indeed.
Having already installed both the English and French versions of Revit, there is no difference between the two in terms of stairs.
It is just necessary to adjust the standard elements correctly in order to comply with the requirements of the client and French law.

Have a nice day.

Bonjour @barthbradley,

je répondait à la première question en effet.
Pour avoir déjà installé les deux versions de Revit anglo-saxonne et française, il n'y a aucune différence entre les deux pour ce qui est des escaliers.
Il est juste nécessaire de régler correctement les éléments standards afin de se conformer aux demandes du maître d'ouvrage et de la loi française.

Bonne journée.

Re: Stair design to French Building Code

paul_bird — Fri, 27 Apr 2018 07:55:48 GMT

Thanks, ToanDN,

I was told it was an automatic switch when you changed your base template (bad information) to the country you required the stair rules automatically changed.

This is obviously incorrect.

As virtually everyone has commented it has to be done manually.

@ToanDNwrote:
Can you just edit the Stair type and modify the properties to match the French standards. I can't imagine they are drastically different from the UK's, if any, it's the sign telling "Lent Mesdames et Messieurs s'il vous plaît déplacer vers la droite" instead of "... to the left".