topic Re: Infilling element replaced by a later phase insert must be the same type as in Revit Architecture Forum

Infilling element replaced by a later phase insert must be the same type as the

robertovalentino — Thu, 02 Aug 2018 20:41:37 GMT

Hi all

I keep having the following quite annoying warning in a project of mine every time I try to change a wall

"Infilling element replaced by a later phase insert must be the same type as the insert's host."

I have been using Phases for ages even on a quit complex project and this is the first time i see it.

Any suggestion?

thank you so much in advance

Re: Infilling element replaced by a later phase insert must be the same type as

barthbradley — Thu, 02 Aug 2018 20:59:48 GMT

I've had them before. It's an order-of-operation thing usually.

Does this sound like your particular issue:

https://knowledge.autodesk.com/support/revit-products/troubleshooting/caas/sfdcarticles/sfdcarticles/Revit-Cannot-change-the-wall-type-of-walls-that-contain-demolished-windows-error-Infilling-element-replaced-by-a-later-phase-insert-must-be-the-same-type-as-the-insert-s-host.html

Re: Infilling element replaced by a later phase insert must be the same type as

Anonymous — Thu, 02 Aug 2018 22:29:42 GMT

You get the error message if you change the wall type after you already demo'd something from that wall in the next phase(s).

Re: Infilling element replaced by a later phase insert must be the same type as

robertovalentino — Thu, 02 Aug 2018 22:50:51 GMT

Actually I got no demo at all

I just added windows in the next Phase

Anyway I tried to flatten all the phases leaving only one and I still get the error

quite annoying

Re: Infilling element replaced by a later phase insert must be the same type as

ToanDN — Thu, 02 Aug 2018 22:56:06 GMT

@robertovalentino wrote:

Hi all

I keep having the following quite annoying warning in a project of mine every time I try to change a wall

"Infilling element replaced by a later phase insert must be the same type as the insert's host."

I have been using Phases for ages even on a quit complex project and this is the first time i see it.

Any suggestion?

thank you so much in advance

That wall. Did you draw it from scratch or did it appear from demolition of an older phase door/window/opening?

Re: Infilling element replaced by a later phase insert must be the same type as

Anonymous — Thu, 02 Aug 2018 22:57:23 GMT

A new window or door in an existing wall is going to still have an infil element, only it is something being removed.

That is why you see dashed lines where the window/door is being removed in the demo view.

(this brings up another issue already mentioned in the Ideas that the line of the width of the wall should show as well)

Re: Infilling element replaced by a later phase insert must be the same type as

Anonymous — Thu, 02 Aug 2018 23:06:04 GMT

And here I just tested it out and I cannot replicate. I know I have gotten the error message too. But I had an existing wall with an existing door to be demo'd, a new door in the next phase...changed the wall in Existing and New and no issues. (shrug)

Re: Infilling element replaced by a later phase insert must be the same type as

robertovalentino — Thu, 02 Aug 2018 23:22:32 GMT

hi,

this is what I did

1 - I drew the wall X in Phase A

2 - I added windows in Phase B (phase B is after phase A, I need that because i need Revit to count wall area without windows)

3 - I try to replace wall X with wall Y

4 - I got error 🙂

thank you so much for bothering to help me out, really appreciated

Re: Infilling element replaced by a later phase insert must be the same type as

barthbradley — Thu, 02 Aug 2018 23:35:21 GMT

You missed the part describing how you replaced "wall X with wall Y". What method did you use?

Re: Infilling element replaced by a later phase insert must be the same type as

ToanDN — Thu, 02 Aug 2018 23:56:42 GMT

Here is how I replicate it:

- create a wall under Existing, demo it under New

- place a door under New in that wall

- set the view's phase to New, phase status to Show All, change the infill wall to a different type will trigger the warning

I know the whole scenario doesn't make any logical sense but there it is.

Re: Infilling element replaced by a later phase insert must be the same type as

barthbradley — Fri, 03 Aug 2018 00:00:41 GMT

It's documented, @ToanDN. Incident ID: 118921

Re: Infilling element replaced by a later phase insert must be the same type as

ToanDN — Fri, 03 Aug 2018 00:07:27 GMT

Edit: I tried the incident 118912 steps and I can change the wall type no problem. What gives?

Sightly different:

Documented Incident ID 118912:

Create a wall in existing phase.
Place a window in existing phase.
Demolish the winodw in new phase.
Try to change the wall type.

My test:

create a wall under Existing, demo it under New
place a door under New in that wall
set the view's phase to New, phase status to Show All
change the infill wall to a different type will trigger the warning

P/S: What's with the typo in a official document? Sloppy!

Re: Infilling element replaced by a later phase insert must be the same type as

Alfredo_Medina — Fri, 03 Aug 2018 00:12:49 GMT

@ToanDN wrote:

Here is how I replicate it:

- create a wall under Existing, demo it under New

- place a door under New in that wall

- set the view's phase to New, phase status to Show All, change the infill wall to a different type will trigger the warning

I know the whole scenario doesn't make any logical sense but there it is.

Isn't there a contradiction in that sequence? "Place a door under New in that wall" (in the wall that was just demolished in the previous step) ???

Re: Infilling element replaced by a later phase insert must be the same type as

Anonymous — Fri, 03 Aug 2018 00:14:43 GMT

It works just fine for me too. What version of Revit are we supposed to be working with? I have 2017.2.

Re: Infilling element replaced by a later phase insert must be the same type as

barthbradley — Fri, 03 Aug 2018 00:15:08 GMT

Okay, we'll add yours as Incident ID:118921.1

What's the method @robertovalentino used though? Maybe it will qualify as an Incident ID: 118921.2.

Re: Infilling element replaced by a later phase insert must be the same type as

ToanDN — Fri, 03 Aug 2018 00:17:03 GMT

Please read the last sentence.

Re: Infilling element replaced by a later phase insert must be the same type as

barthbradley — Fri, 03 Aug 2018 00:27:29 GMT

Works for me too, @Anonymous. That's why I'm asking how @robertovalentino did it. Maybe this isn't a Chernobyl incident. Maybe it's just an order-of-operation thing like I first said.

Re: Infilling element replaced by a later phase insert must be the same type as

ToanDN — Fri, 03 Aug 2018 00:40:20 GMT

@barthbradley wrote:

Works for me too, @Anonymous. That's why I'm asking how @robertovalentino did it. Maybe this isn't a Chernobyl incident. Maybe it's just an order-of-operation thing like I first said.

@Anonymous @barthbradley

What works for you guys? The documented incident or the way I replicate the error?

Re: Infilling element replaced by a later phase insert must be the same type as

barthbradley — Fri, 03 Aug 2018 00:51:19 GMT

@ToanDN wrote:

What works for you guys? The documented incident or the way I replicate the error?

Answering for myself; I can draw wall X in Phase A; add a windows to wall X in Phase B; replace wall X with wall Y in Phase B. Pretty much @robertovalentino's workflow, but without the error.

Re: Infilling element replaced by a later phase insert must be the same type as

ToanDN — Fri, 03 Aug 2018 00:54:16 GMT

Now this one makes more sense and will create the error:

create a wall under Existing
place a door under New in that wall
change the infill wall to a different type will trigger the error.

Only doors trigger the error. Windows do not.