topic Re: family constrained to a horizontal surface in Revit Architecture Forum

family constrained to a horizontal surface

Anonymous — Fri, 21 Sep 2018 17:34:01 GMT

Good morning.

I have an object, it's an "Airport Luggage Carousel" (see attached image) which can be placed on Horizontal surfaces.

I need to place this object on a ramp but it does not allow me to, any suggestions please?

Thanks

Re: family constrained to a horizontal surface

barthbradley — Fri, 21 Sep 2018 17:39:15 GMT

Uncheck Always Vertical and check Work Plane-Based, and place family on ramp surface.

Re: family constrained to a horizontal surface

Anonymous — Fri, 21 Sep 2018 21:20:43 GMT

Thank you for your response, I have unchecked "Always vertical" but I cannot find the option "Work Plane-Based" please see attached image

Thank you

Re: family constrained to a horizontal surface

ToanDN — Fri, 21 Sep 2018 21:23:18 GMT

It's a face based family so you don't have and don't need to tick work plane. When place in project, just pick the sloped face.

Re: family constrained to a horizontal surface

barthbradley — Fri, 21 Sep 2018 21:50:29 GMT

Floor hosted. You're out of luck. You can make a Ramp via a Floor. Floors can have Slopes and you can Shape Edit them.

...or Copy/Paste the Floor-Based elements into a non-hosted template -- and check Work Plane-Based and uncheck Always Vertical.

Re: family constrained to a horizontal surface

barthbradley — Fri, 21 Sep 2018 22:32:58 GMT

I don't understand the solution, @Anonymous. How did you place it on a Ramp?

...Plus, it's not a Faced-Based Family, as mentioned by @ToanDN; it's a Floor-Based Family. Now I am totally confused.

Re: family constrained to a horizontal surface

ToanDN — Fri, 21 Sep 2018 22:42:32 GMT

@Anonymous

@barthbradley is correct. It is a floor based family, not a face based family. My mistake. You can follow his instruction and it should work.

There is another way to convert floor based to face based involving copy monitor but it may not be necessary in this case.

Re: family constrained to a horizontal surface

barthbradley — Fri, 21 Sep 2018 23:30:06 GMT

@ToanDN wrote:

There is another way to convert floor based to face based involving copy monitor but it may not be necessary in this case.

Actually, if it were me, I'd convert through the Copy/Monitor workaround, instead of changing the ramp to a floor -- or rebuilding the family as a Un-Hosted Family by clipboard copying and pasting elements between the two templates. It not a big deal, just too lengthy of a process to describe in a post. But that would be the real solution here.

Here's a YouTube Video that describes the basics of the workflow. In this one, a Wall-Based Family is being converted to a Face-Based Family. There are other videos out there as well, that show this process.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrCNgSs8Szk

Re: family constrained to a horizontal surface

Anonymous — Tue, 25 Sep 2018 04:13:43 GMT

Well, Actually I probably accepted as a solution by mistake. I will try this Tuesday or wednesday to figure it out by following you guys solutions,

thanks

Re: family constrained to a horizontal surface

Anonymous — Tue, 25 Sep 2018 23:54:55 GMT

Thank you for all responses. I will accept solution after I try. now I suddenly working in a very different part of the project

thanks

Re: family constrained to a horizontal surface

Sahay_R — Wed, 26 Sep 2018 12:34:46 GMT

CTRL-C the geometry, CTRL-V in a new family - preferably face based or even unhosted. You may need to tweak the parameters.

Luggage carousel on a ramp???? I'm befuddled.....

Re: family constrained to a horizontal surface

Anonymous — Wed, 26 Sep 2018 18:13:00 GMT

I haven't had time to work on editing the family, I am attaching the revit model so you can Understand what I mean to say. I need to place this object on a ramp

Thank youuu

Re: family constrained to a horizontal surface

barthbradley — Wed, 26 Sep 2018 18:40:44 GMT

Here

...reattached as Generic Model

Re: family constrained to a horizontal surface

Anonymous — Wed, 26 Sep 2018 19:12:26 GMT

Thank youuu

I tried inserting the unhosted, I placed over there in the ramp, I applied command "align" but it does not work.

Thank you for your effort, please advice

Pedro

Re: family constrained to a horizontal surface

barthbradley — Wed, 26 Sep 2018 19:26:54 GMT

I suspect that you've not downloaded the "Unhosted" version I posted. It works fine, as I showed in my screenshot.

...Look at the contextual tab when you place the carousel. There are two placement options; Place on Face and Place on Workplane. Chose Place on Face and pick the face of the ramp, or make face of ramp the current workplane and then place the Carousel on that Workplane.

...another thing: make sure you downloaded my most current "Unhosted" family. First one I posted did not uncheck Always Vertical. The second one does.

Re: family constrained to a horizontal surface

barthbradley — Thu, 27 Sep 2018 17:17:19 GMT

@Anonymous: How did my "Unhosted" family work out for you?

Re: family constrained to a horizontal surface

Anonymous — Thu, 27 Sep 2018 18:39:02 GMT

not tried yet, please wait

Re: family constrained to a horizontal surface

Anonymous — Thu, 27 Sep 2018 20:47:16 GMT

I downloaded the latest one, I followed all your directions. it is not working

thank you

Re: family constrained to a horizontal surface

Anonymous — Thu, 27 Sep 2018 20:54:47 GMT

Thank you for your follow up. it's not working

Re: family constrained to a horizontal surface

Anonymous — Thu, 27 Sep 2018 21:02:13 GMT

this is how I am inserting the "unhosted" version:

Command: CM (place a component), I choose the unhosted one, I place it over the ramp. I pick a new host, choose the face option. I align to ramp: error message says you cannot rotate this. please see attached 2 images